Positive ds, can my cleaner come tomorrow?

[PurpleEchoLamp]

Just that really! Since he got his positive PCR, he's been banished to his room, so if he stays in there, and she only does downstairs, can she come? (1st world problem, I know!)

I'm going against the grain as I'd give my cleaner the choice. If the child has stayed upstairs, and she's cleaning downstairs, the risk is minimal and I'd let my cleaner decide.

My cleaner has been double vaccinated (granted that some of my double vaccinated friends have caught covid recently). Equally we've taken the risk of her passing covid to us as she cleans multiple houses in a day and also flies to Europe regularly to see family.

@Maskless think you're splitting hairs there, you are supposed to get a test, the result is recorded.

It is not treated at all like flu. You can't know you have it and go to work.

Yes, we don't have to notify as with other small outbreaks because we have a huge testing infrastructure.

It's probably a false positive, anyway, if he has no symptoms, so all this hysteria is over nothing. And this sort of statement is covid denial.

Regardless of whether you think it’s ok or not the govt are clear it isn’t

do not have visitors in your home, including friends and family – except for people providing essential care

It’s not essential care.

@AwaAnBileYerHeid

but then people like you who don't do everything you can to minimise the spread of covid are sadly making that a little more difficult.

Do you do everything you can to minimise spread? If so, I'm presuming you're living a life according to March 2020 rules. If you're not only doing those things that are strictly necessary to continue life, you are not minimising spread and are simply being hypocritical.

@Warhertisuff

The most recent variant of the Delta variant is proving highly transmissible, so the cleaner may be very much at risk.

If Delta+ (which is believed to be only marginally more transmissible than Delta, if at all) can transmit through a closed door, downstairs and to someone 10+ metres away, all in a well ventilated house with all its windows open, and do so so readily that it makes the person downstairs "very much at risk", we are all screwed and we need to be locked down in sealed up houses forever!

Oh joy!

Glad to see some posters being sensible.

People are sitting in pubs, on trains, in cafes, in buses, and walking past others in corridors, in supermarkets, small shops, offices and other workplaces, greeting colleagues, etc, without knowing if ANY of those they are close to have had a positive test!

I've just spent a week in an 8 bed NHS hospital ward, each bed only 4ft apart, sharing a room 24/7 with a bunch of strangers. None of us were asked to wear masks and none of us did.

I was not tested for covid until I had been in the ward for 4 hours.

Prior to that I had had close contact with paramedics, porters, and nurses, who leaned over me to attach things to my body, like ecg electodes on my chest and a blood pressure cuff, etc.

It was also 4 hours before they asked if I had been vaxxed and when I replied in the negative it was noted but I was not thence treated any differently to any other patient. I was expecting to be scolded but no scolding came.

No anti viral hand sanitiser was used by anyone. No gloves were worn by nurses touching my body.

I used plates and cups that were then collected by caterers or moved by nurses. I travelled in an airless, closed ambulance with an unmasked paramedic.

Over the days I was also in close contact with a cardiac nurse and a cardiac consultant. They treated me, talked close to me, and touched me, as though covid does not exist.

If the NHS is being so relaxed about it then why this hysteria about a cleaner working on a different storey from someone with no symptoms?

@CovidCorvid

Because there’s a risk other people in the household may have it but not yet be positive. And it may be a low risk but surface transmission is still possible.

Can people really not cope without their cleaner for one week?

Others in the house need to stay out of the way too... And yes, there is a tiny risk from surfaces, but she's cleaning those surfaces! What gets me is the outrage caused by the OP's merely asking a question about an action with such negligible risk - it's just so utterly unhinged.

If you're not only doing those things that are strictly necessary to continue life, you are not minimising spread and are simply being hypocritical.

It is interesting how covid deniers use identical tactics to climate change deniers.

In this case, inventing an extremely high standard of purity in order to shut down those suggesting any effort/change at all. This is often seen with climate change denial, parodied as 'so you want the rest of us to cut our carbon emissions while you still breathe out carbon dioxide yourself?'

With covid deniers, if you leave the house at all, you apparently can not say a word.

[quote rrhuth]@Maskless think you're splitting hairs there, you are supposed to get a test, the result is recorded.

It is not treated at all like flu. You can't know you have it and go to work.

Yes, we don't have to notify as with other small outbreaks because we have a huge testing infrastructure.[/quote]
The results of ALL tests are recorded. For anything not just this.

It's NOT a "notifiable disease".

I'm not "splitting hairs", I am quoting official government law and policy! Cheeky mare!

@Maskless interested to know which other tests for which other illnesses are routinely accessed through patient booking not via doctor/clinic?

I can't get a private measles test, for example. Where is your local self-book measles clinic?

I accept the word notifiable is not on the website, I used it clumsily, but the government is tracking covid more than any other illness currently, because it is wanting to take asymptomatic cases out of the system.

I agree, some people have become unhinged on this subject.

In my heart, though, I don't really blame them; they have been scared witless by the non stop propaganda.

What comes across very clearly on this thread is that a lot of posters are just angry and resentful and jealous that the OP employs a cleaner.

Perhaps responses would have been different if she had said a gas engineer needs to come and fix the boiler in the kitchen and will not be going upstairs?

Can't believe someone is actually resorting to the 'jealous' line. Embarrassing take.

Fwiw there will be a higher number of people employing a cleaner on this website than in society at large, so the jealousy argument doesn't even stand up.

[quote rrhuth]@Maskless interested to know which other tests for which other illnesses are routinely accessed through patient booking not via doctor/clinic?

I can't get a private measles test, for example. Where is your local self-book measles clinic?

I accept the word notifiable is not on the website, I used it clumsily, but the government is tracking covid more than any other illness currently, because it is wanting to take asymptomatic cases out of the system.[/quote]
Changing the goalposts, much?

Your assertion was that the results of covid tests are recorded.

You claimed that this was what made it a 'notifiable disease' and I told you that it isn't. All tests are recorded: cholesterol, diabetes, blood pressure etc.

The government is most definitely NOT 'tracking covid'. If we have it we are told to stay home and treat it as flu. No need to notify anyone, not even one's own GP. No need even to have a test.

Of course the cleaner can't come and yes you should pay her.

What comes across very clearly on this thread is that a lot of posters are just angry and resentful and jealous that the OP employs a cleaner.

I can afford to pay mine not to come. The op is probably jealous of me.

The government is most definitely NOT 'tracking covid'

coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

Do you live on planet earth?

@rrhuth

Can't believe someone is actually resorting to the 'jealous' line. Embarrassing take.

Fwiw there will be a higher number of people employing a cleaner on this website than in society at large, so the jealousy argument doesn't even stand up.

A lot of MNetters have cleaners and a lot don't. Some that don't reveal envy in their posts.

Go back and read the thread again. There are quite a few snarky comments that come across as "Poor little diddums, got to put your Marigolds on for once, have you? Awww..."

Go back and read the thread again. There are quite a few snarky comments that come across as "Poor little diddums, got to put your Marigolds on for once, have you? Awww..."

That’s not jealousy. That’s annoyance with the op for wanting to break the rules by allowing someone into her house when she could just clean it herself.

@rrhuth

The government is most definitely NOT 'tracking covid'

coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

Do you live on planet earth?

Yes, not in Cloud Cuckoo land, like you :-)

If we have it we are told to stay home and treat it as flu. No need to notify anyone, not even one's own GP. No need even to have a test. How is that "tracking"?

@PurpleDaisies

Go back and read the thread again. There are quite a few snarky comments that come across as "Poor little diddums, got to put your Marigolds on for once, have you? Awww..."

That’s not jealousy. That’s annoyance with the op for wanting to break the rules by allowing someone into her house when she could just clean it herself.

You may read it at face value but the underlying anger/resentment is clear to those who are a little more perceptive.

Oh op you’re a bit thoughtless and selfish. Clean your own house for once. Of course the cleaner shouldn’t come.

Wow and people blames the unvaccinated for spreading the illness when it just people that can't be bothered to do a basic job for a couple of week. Worlds not going to end if the dusting is not done.

@Maskless

I agree, some people have become unhinged on this subject.

In my heart, though, I don't really blame them; they have been scared witless by the non stop propaganda.

What comes across very clearly on this thread is that a lot of posters are just angry and resentful and jealous that the OP employs a cleaner.

Perhaps responses would have been different if she had said a gas engineer needs to come and fix the boiler in the kitchen and will not be going upstairs?

What does jealousy have to do with the fact that you aren't supposed to have visitors to the house when someone living there is Covid positive?

No need to notify anyone, not even one's own GP. No need even to have a test. I know there's no point arguing with delusion, but I think this is one of the weirdest interpretations I ever read.

NHS website:

If you have any of the main symptoms of COVID-19, even if they're mild:

1) Get a PCR test (test that is sent to a lab) to check if you have COVID-19 as soon as possible.

You don't have to notify your GP personally because the test result goes in the system.

The fact that individuals can get away with not having a test is due to UK culture of medical intervention by consent plus assessment of resources available.

@Maskless

I agree, some people have become unhinged on this subject.

In my heart, though, I don't really blame them; they have been scared witless by the non stop propaganda.

What comes across very clearly on this thread is that a lot of posters are just angry and resentful and jealous that the OP employs a cleaner.

Perhaps responses would have been different if she had said a gas engineer needs to come and fix the boiler in the kitchen and will not be going upstairs?

Also, a gas engineer coming to fix the boiler is different. A broken boiler at this time of year is an emergency and needs sorting, cleaning the house is not an emergency and can either be done yourself or can wait another week.