AIBU That we learn to accept COVID is here to stay!

[Jakie7700]

That now a massive number is double vaccinated those who want to be and that teenagers have started to be offered them, it seems so ridiculous that kids are still losing out on school because they are being sent home as they have a minor cold with minor cough. Covid will still be around in years to come, so will children still be sent home then with a mild cough due to colds?

Many missed days of school waiting for PCR results, parents usually mothers missing work over and over. Nobody seemed to care two years back when these same children were spreading flu, chicken pox etc which can all kill or cause serious complications both in adults and children.

Nothing is going to change you can get COVID again like a cold. Just last week I heard of two friends kids being sent home because of mild cough (coughed three/four times the whole day) missed days of school waiting for results only to be negative and then told this will happen every time they have a cough which as most will know in primary children will be alot over winter! These same parents who have nearly lost jobs due to having to juggle childcare through lockdowns. Surely it is just time to accept COVID is isn't going anywhere and stop making kids espeically suffer.

@Jakie7700 there are many reasons other than having the three main symptoms so this is misinformation you are repeatedly spouting.

It can be those symptoms, it can be because you’ve been identified as a close contact, it can be you’ve been directed to do so by a study such as ZOE or it can be because you’ve been asked to by HCP. I think there may be a few other options when I booked two weeks ago - can’t remember them all.

Our local public health asked some schools in our area to keep students off and test for a whole range of symptoms including headache, cold, stomach ache etc because of the size of the outbreaks in those schools. Those students have been asked to stay off awaiting negative results before returning.

We were an outbreak school for a small while. Teachers double vaxxed caught covid and were therefore off work - if we don’t have enough staff we can’t open so yes actually asking students to get a test before returning and missing the odd day or two of school probably is better than closing whole schools/year groups/classes.

As others have said ‘living with it’ doesn’t mean ‘pretending it doesn’t exist’. Invest in NHS. Reintroduce masks and improve ventilation in schools as a start.

@Jakie7700 well I was actually using it the context of your OP being very wordy and long to essentially make a very short point but whatever. I can see incredibly clearly what your agenda is so I’ll leave it there.

There seems to be an assumption that it's unvaccinated people that will be clogging up the hospitals. I've not taken the vaccine because I will rely on my immune system (which is very good) to deal with Covid if it happens. That's the risk I'm taking. I work in a school, DC18 has just finished school, DC12 is in high school and DP is out and about. None of us have had Covid to our knowledge. I know of someone about to lose their life to Covid who was double vaccinated. Like a previous poster said we can get on with life but still acknowledge Covid

This is a brand new, highly infectious (thanks, Delta) virus in a population that 18 months ago was totally immunologically naive. Yes, it will become like the flu or even (wild hopes) a bad cold - when we have had enough exposure to it that our immune systems treat it like the flu or a bad cold.

We’re not there yet. And so we’re paying the price currently for the government deciding to invite delta in and throughly seed it in the population and by its decision to continue to lift all restrictions and mitigations despite a high case load. And by delays to making the decision to vaccinate teens and a totally cack-handed approach to school and vaccine booster rollout.

And of course the response of the population to voluntary recommended measures - the ability to go into a shop or on a bus without a mask is more important to them than making an effort to avoid disruption to people’s jobs and education.

So we’re in a challenging spot right now, and kids are bearing the brunt of it again - along with the poor fucking NHS stuff who must look back on the clapping and the rainbows and want to weep when people have shown what they’re actually prepared to do to help.

@MrsHerculePoirot
Seriously how MANY TIMES DO I HAVE TO SAY IT I HAVE SAID IT MULTIPLE TIMES OTHER THAN THE 3 MAIN SYMPTOMS OR BEING ASKED TO GET A TEST YOU CANNOT GET ONE.

Do people purposely just miss out the bits that don't fit there adgena. Stop with the whole crap of misinformation. I have not given any information out that is incorrect at all, although many others have done including false statistics which others have rightly pointed out. I have said this multiple times you can if asked too or because you have been informed you are a close contact etc. Please read!

[quote Jakie7700]@FrippEnos
So are you suggesting I should stop wearing a mask and social distance because a teacher can't do this? And to be honest me wearing a mask is more protecting others than myself espeically those who cannot for medical reasons have the vaccine[/quote]
I'm suggesting that all teachers and should be able to have mitigating measures in place.

The same that you can do.

But you seem to be saying that teachers, support staff and pupils (at all levels of education) should just get on with it

@Cornettoninja
Please do leave it there as I think most people agree using words that are offensive to people with learning disabilities should not be used regardless of why.
I do not have a agenda just because you disagree with my post doesn't give you the right to be offensive.

@FrippEnos
I never said teachers should not be allowed to wear masks. I think they should if they want too. But let's be honest unless they are willing to vaccinate primary school children then this year after year will keep affecting children's education and affecting parents who may lose vital jobs because their work is not happy with them keep taking time off. What is the solution to that?

[quote Jakie7700]@CallmeHendricks
You can call what you like. It was a friend, she actually sent me a email where the head confirm the child could not return until negative PCR result.[/quote]
That's not what I'm doubting.
I would like to know who said they "only coughed three times."
It sounds to me like the sort of thing a child tells its parent and becomes fact if it suits an agenda.

The only thing prolonging this for us is restrictions. Whitty and valance even said back when restrictions were eased that all they are doing now is delaying these infections not stopping them.

@CallmeHendricks
The teacher told my friend this when collecting her child. Then she emailed the head as to her this seemed silly and the head emailed back confirming the gov guidelines saying a new or continuous cough or if you cough 3 or more times in 24hours!

"affecting children's education and affecting parents who may lose vital jobs because their work is not happy with them keep taking time off. What is the solution to that?"

Perhaps actually acting on latest advice in schools such as actually investing in ventilation and co2 monitors instead of paying it lip service.

Entry of parents send kids in with "tonsilitis", colds etc who have them gone on to test positive for covid. That's not to mention those with raging temperatures and clear coughs. Another common tactic is to keep kids home when symptoms are more noticeable then send them back in a few days later.

We know from the sw what happens when people who have covid do not isolate. This results in w lot more disruption for other kids in the class, the parents of the kids infected as a result or all of them if the teacher goes off with covid and supply has to be used if there is any available.

We know that right now that anyone in education are among the most likely to be infected. Your view of learn to live with it is to act selfishly and comments only on education and let's be honest a lot of that disruption has been caused by the government's decisions and gaslighting that covid does not spread in schools and is mostly due to parents congregating at school gates.

[quote Jakie7700]@CallmeHendricks
The teacher told my friend this when collecting her child. Then she emailed the head as to her this seemed silly and the head emailed back confirming the gov guidelines saying a new or continuous cough or if you cough 3 or more times in 24hours![/quote]
Then the school was following the correct procedure.

[quote Jakie7700]@CallmeHendricks
The teacher told my friend this when collecting her child. Then she emailed the head as to her this seemed silly and the head emailed back confirming the gov guidelines saying a new or continuous cough or if you cough 3 or more times in 24hours![/quote]
From NHS:

“ a new, continuous cough – this means coughing a lot for more than an hour, or 3 or more coughing episodes in 24 hours (if you usually have a cough, it may be worse than usual)”.

@CallmeHendricks
I never stated the school was giving false information. I was stating that how many children over the winter will cough a few times in class and get sent home. This is going to have a massive impact again on primary aged children who usually get colds more often. It will also have a massive impact of parents espeically single working usually mum's who cannot take anymore time off. And cannot afford to lose any money who are already struggling to make ends meet. My OP was asking how long do we go on like this for every winter for the next few years?

Put yourself in this position which for alot of people is a real situation. So your kid gets sent home a couple of times due to mild cough. Your employer tells you will lose pay and if you have any more time off this winter you will lose your job. Wtf is that parent suppose to do? Of course they are going to try and send their child in because to you it's selfish to them if they don't they will lost their job and be homeless. What might seem selfish to you is someone else trying to keep there head above water. But most of you on here live in la la land.

My OP was asking how long do we go on like this for every winter for the next few years?

I haven’t rtft but no we’ll see changes. Already talk at S&T committee to stop asymptomatic testing of dc (advice only), then further changes early next year.

"But most of you on here live in la la land."

No, I'm the teacher who your child will be coughing all over. Double jabbed or not, I do not want what are highly likely to be Covid germs coughed/spat in my direction, thank you.

@MarshaBradyo
Thank you that is good to know

[quote Jakie7700]@MrsHerculePoirot
Seriously how MANY TIMES DO I HAVE TO SAY IT I HAVE SAID IT MULTIPLE TIMES OTHER THAN THE 3 MAIN SYMPTOMS OR BEING ASKED TO GET A TEST YOU CANNOT GET ONE.

Do people purposely just miss out the bits that don't fit there adgena. Stop with the whole crap of misinformation. I have not given any information out that is incorrect at all, although many others have done including false statistics which others have rightly pointed out. I have said this multiple times you can if asked too or because you have been informed you are a close contact etc. Please read![/quote]
Anyone can get a test anytime. Who exactly is checking what symptoms you have?

@CallmeHendricks
See you avoided my question then

@makelovenotpetrol
Yes a LFT you can get anytime. Unless you have been asked to or told you have been in contact with a positive case or have the main 3 symptoms on gov.uk you will be told your not eligible. Well unless like everyone else does and put in false answers to the questions they ask.

A PCR test at gov.uk I meant to say

@walksen

"affecting children's education and affecting parents who may lose vital jobs because their work is not happy with them keep taking time off. What is the solution to that?"

Perhaps actually acting on latest advice in schools such as actually investing in ventilation and co2 monitors instead of paying it lip service.

Entry of parents send kids in with "tonsilitis", colds etc who have them gone on to test positive for covid. That's not to mention those with raging temperatures and clear coughs. Another common tactic is to keep kids home when symptoms are more noticeable then send them back in a few days later.

We know from the sw what happens when people who have covid do not isolate. This results in w lot more disruption for other kids in the class, the parents of the kids infected as a result or all of them if the teacher goes off with covid and supply has to be used if there is any available.

We know that right now that anyone in education are among the most likely to be infected. Your view of learn to live with it is to act selfishly and comments only on education and let's be honest a lot of that disruption has been caused by the government's decisions and gaslighting that covid does not spread in schools and is mostly due to parents congregating at school gates.

Well said. Totally agree 👏

So we’re in a challenging spot right now, and kids are bearing the brunt of it again - along with the poor fucking NHS stuff who must look back on the clapping and the rainbows and want to weep when people have shown what they’re actually prepared to do to help

The public are so God damn selfish for not wanting to be constantly punished and isolated.

@MercyBooth

So we’re in a challenging spot right now, and kids are bearing the brunt of it again - along with the poor fucking NHS stuff who must look back on the clapping and the rainbows and want to weep when people have shown what they’re actually prepared to do to help

The public are so God damn selfish for not wanting to be constantly punished and isolated.

Agreed! The grateful masses should stay home forever. How dare they be so entitled to things like cancer care. What a world we live in.