AIBU That we learn to accept COVID is here to stay!

[Jakie7700]

That now a massive number is double vaccinated those who want to be and that teenagers have started to be offered them, it seems so ridiculous that kids are still losing out on school because they are being sent home as they have a minor cold with minor cough. Covid will still be around in years to come, so will children still be sent home then with a mild cough due to colds?

Many missed days of school waiting for PCR results, parents usually mothers missing work over and over. Nobody seemed to care two years back when these same children were spreading flu, chicken pox etc which can all kill or cause serious complications both in adults and children.

Nothing is going to change you can get COVID again like a cold. Just last week I heard of two friends kids being sent home because of mild cough (coughed three/four times the whole day) missed days of school waiting for results only to be negative and then told this will happen every time they have a cough which as most will know in primary children will be alot over winter! These same parents who have nearly lost jobs due to having to juggle childcare through lockdowns. Surely it is just time to accept COVID is isn't going anywhere and stop making kids espeically suffer.

@Jakie7700

You don't get a PCR as a precaution you get one as you are showing symptoms or been asked to go get one. Are people really getting them by lying just as a precaution or as they have a headache? Maybe this is part of the problem then. Children missing days of school each time they don't have covid but need a PCR test before returning to school as they have coughed three times that day but adults and making the result times longer by falsely getting a PCR when it's not needed.

The SCHOOL requested all children in my sons year took a PCR test as a PRECAUTION after taking advice from public health England twice

Wind your fucking neck in

People aren’t lying to get a PCR.

I live in an area where numbers have never decreased. PHE advised all our schools to ask for PCRs for ANY symptom relating to illness because of his Delta presents. I am glad this is the case because I dread to think what my school would have been like without this one mitigation.

I also take it OP you are privileged to not work in a job surrounded by hundreds of unvaccinated children?

Yes I have a child.

Yes his school are asking us to PCR if they have any of the symptoms of Covid. You know, like a headache, runny nose, sore throat etc.

@motherrunner

I also take it OP you are privileged to not work in a job surrounded by hundreds of unvaccinated children?

And I’m not doing a ‘woe is me teacher post’, I just find it annoying that the people who make the most noise about dropping restrictions are those who don’t face a great Covid risk daily.

Also the Covid board is that way ——>

Only the person with the positive PCR has to isolate now and if a child has Covid symptoms the school can recommend they get a PCR but can’t make them do so. Children without symptoms but living in s house with Covid can attend school whilst waiting for the results of the PCR test in England. Given these facts I think that the main disruption to education is the school staff getting ill meaning that classes are taught by a cover supervisor, supply, TA or another adult in school. In some cases, classes have been combined or have had to close when there aren’t enough adults to teach them. A lot of people on here don’t seem bothered about this though as long as children are in school. When the children have different adults taking classes at the last minute to cover illness there is little continuity so education suffers. The school community is not just made up of children.

@Theunamedcat They asked you to do this in primary school? Again that fine I clearly stated if you have symptoms or are asked to get one which clearly your child was. So no I will not wind my fucking neck in love.

@motherrunner clearly they are as unless you are asked to get one or have the three main symptoms you cannot book a PCR online unless you give false information is this not lying?

@catgirl1976
If you choose to give false information to get a test that is up to you. It is a fact you cannot book a PCR online unless you have the 3 main symptoms or have been asked to unless you lie and say you do.

@motherrunner
I am a key worker and worked throughout the whole pandemic as did my husband. I nearly have to give up my much loved job as we had no childcare for our children. Who are all primary age. So yes have been in contact with many hundreds of unvaccinated people the whole time.

Well as a PP said if you find it more morally acceptable to potentially spread Covid than given incorrect information on a form you know to be outdated and not fit for purpose in order to protect others that's up to you.

Bet you'd go straight to level 10 on the Milgram machine though.......

@catgirl1976
And ask yourself this if everyone thought like you and has regular PCR tests for any headache, runny nose,sneezing and sore throat over the winter. When it is not recommended to do so by the government will you feel responsible if waiting time for test results take much longer because of the sheer amount of people taking tests over the winter and they lost their jobs because they keep taking more time off work from their min wage job and get sacked. A few extra days off work for you unpaid may be fine, but for others it's the difference between keeping or losing their jobs. I take it you don't live in the real world.

Yes the system is flawed and yes people should be able to test for any symptom via a PCR but let's be honest the system can't function quickly if everyone does that hence the government having to make a choice and stick to the three main symptoms.

It is a fact you cannot book a PCR online unless you have the 3 main symptoms or have been asked to unless you lie and say you do.

Absolute tosh. Stop spreading false information.

I booked one last weekend with no symptoms (because a friend's child had tested positive and I had spent the afternoon with said friend).

They aren’t the three main symptoms though @Jakie7700 🤷🏻‍♀️ That’s a huge problem!!

[quote Jakie7700]@Strictly1
Why are they having a PCR test for a headache or runny nose? No wonder why in some areas test results are taking days.[/quote]
Do you seriously require an explanation to this? After all this time?!
Jesus OP stop and think

We will learn to live with Covid because it is here to stay. But learning takes time and we have a health service to maintain now.

@GreenFingersWouldBeHandy
I am not spreading false information. I said many times so will say it again as you obvoiusly missed it several times.
You can only book a PCR test online at gov.uk if you say you have one of the three symptoms or you have been told or asked too by either by track and trace or as you have been informed you have been a close contact. I said this over and over! I take it you were informed by someone you were in contact with someone who tested positive yes? Well that is what I said please read the thread.

@DoubleShotEspresso
I do stop to think, do you? If you are all so angry at people not doing a PCR for a headache, runny nose etc as they would have to lie to get a PCR test as these are not listed and it will say you are not eligible for a PCR.

Why are you all not more angry at the government who are the ones that won't add more symptoms onto the list to be eligible for a PCR. Why aren't you getting off your arses and contacting your MP or doing something about It?

You're so right OP, I whole-heartedly agree.

Why should be burden continue to be placed on the young when they are barely affected by the virus?

I can go to a concert, football stadium etc etc like normal, but children and young people are still shouldering the burden, and the benefit is not for them!

The previous Corona virus pandemic known as Spanish influenza eventually disappeared in a time when there was no modern technology;no modern medical care and no vaccinations against it.

I believe (and other may not agree) that it will eventually do what that version of a Corona virus did and mutate into a common seasonal flu.

Unfortunately even the common flu takes the lives of people each winter so that's still going to happen if the current virus mutates.

[quote Jakie7700]@DoubleShotEspresso
I do stop to think, do you? If you are all so angry at people not doing a PCR for a headache, runny nose etc as they would have to lie to get a PCR test as these are not listed and it will say you are not eligible for a PCR.

Why are you all not more angry at the government who are the ones that won't add more symptoms onto the list to be eligible for a PCR. Why aren't you getting off your arses and contacting your MP or doing something about It?[/quote]
What a considerate post.

Ohh I'm angry at the government, we really don't have time for that here .

I'm equally angry with people just like yourself who demonstrate minimal understanding or grasp of reality outside their own "bubble".
Families like mine with CEV members have repeatedly spoken to , emailed, live messaged councillors, headmasters etc, all because this shitty government pander to folks just like you whose need to "live with it" exceeds any willingness to consider anybody outside their own more important bubble.
I've stopped to think on more occasions than you'll ever know in the past two years. This said posts like this make me stop and think it's time I'm done with this world and many "living" within it.

It’s not a ridiculous question.

What will have changed by next winter:

• more people will have been exposed to covid by then, so infections that do happen are much more likely to be reinfections, which are much more likely to be mild;
• hospitals should have been able to clear more of the non-covid backlog that’s currently causing such huge issues.

What is unlikely to have changed by next winter:

• new treatments good enough to make the problem all go away;
• Tory government investment in the NHS sufficient to make the problem all go away;
• virus deciding all by itself to all go away.

So probably it’ll look better, but no it won’t just stop being a problem at all. And the government is probably not going to be paying for free PCR testing for everyone on the current scale indefinitely, let alone scaling that up to “PCR and isolation for every possible symptom ever.”

@Merryoldgoat

I’m sick of these posts.

Accepting its here to stay doesn’t mean you just spread it all over the fucking place.

There are still 5m unvaccinated adults in the U.K. around 20% of unvaccinated people who get infected require medical intervention - that’s 1m people and with a mortality rate of 2% that’s still another 100,000 possible deaths if it’s left to run riot.

Yes, we need to live, enjoy life, accept its endemic but we can still try not to spread it everywhere.

Mortality rate of 2%? It has never been that high, nowhere near. Also the hospitalisation rate was never 20% even when none of us were vaccinated. No idea where you are getting those figures from.

Mortality rate is something like 0.025%.

Nothing like 2% ever.

And Spanish Flu was an influenza pandemic. There was a likely coronavirus pandemic in the late 1800s which was, at the time, called Russian Flu. It was very likely to be a coronavirus that is now one of the 4 we have that leads to a cold.

It lasted 5 years with various waves.

Mortality rate of 2%? It has never been that high, nowhere near. Also the hospitalisation rate was never 20% even when none of us were vaccinated. No idea where you are getting those figures from

Yeah, I call bullshit on those figures too. That is basically saying if you are unvaccinated, then you have a 1 in 5 chance of needing medical intervention. Scaremongering rubbish.
Unless that medical intervention is Lemsip and a few days in bed.

@DoubleShotEspresso
Well it is nice to know you or family members have voiced your concerns or worries to your councillors. Most people do not so if everyone held them to account maybe more would be done.

I do consider people outside my own 'bubble and have done nothing but since at a great disadvantage to my own children. I am double vaccinated, I social distance where possible and I still were my mask. I did not say at any point I think we should all spread COVID. I am simply saying in my opinion I believe we should as a whole to learn to accept it is here to stay for the time being.

I do not think I am wrong in being concerned at my children's education being further affected this winter by being sent home every time they have a cold which with young children is quite alot! People saying it is only a few days here and there the school always refuses holidays even for a few days as it is known to affect children's learning, so even a few days each time again set them back.

I also worry about people who work and have small children yet again this winter having to take time off as their child has been told to get a PCR before returning as they coughed 3 times. One of my close friends who is a carer has been told by her work if she takes any more time off she will be dismissed as she had so much time off because of lockdown before. So the same friend whose child was sent home for coughing 3 times. Is that fair she loses her job and can't afford to keep a roof over her children's heads?