AIBU That we learn to accept COVID is here to stay!

[Jakie7700]

That now a massive number is double vaccinated those who want to be and that teenagers have started to be offered them, it seems so ridiculous that kids are still losing out on school because they are being sent home as they have a minor cold with minor cough. Covid will still be around in years to come, so will children still be sent home then with a mild cough due to colds?

Many missed days of school waiting for PCR results, parents usually mothers missing work over and over. Nobody seemed to care two years back when these same children were spreading flu, chicken pox etc which can all kill or cause serious complications both in adults and children.

Nothing is going to change you can get COVID again like a cold. Just last week I heard of two friends kids being sent home because of mild cough (coughed three/four times the whole day) missed days of school waiting for results only to be negative and then told this will happen every time they have a cough which as most will know in primary children will be alot over winter! These same parents who have nearly lost jobs due to having to juggle childcare through lockdowns. Surely it is just time to accept COVID is isn't going anywhere and stop making kids espeically suffer.

[quote Jakie7700]@CallmeHendricks
See you avoided my question then[/quote]
What question?

@CallmeHendricks
Regarding people being called selfish by teachers for sending kids in with mild cough/cold symptoms. Wtf are the suppose to do if they keep having to take time of work to wait for OCT and may lose their jobs is that fair on them? What about the parent who cannot afford food for them as they had to take a extra two days of unpaid while waiting again for a PCR result because a child coughed a few times in class. What would you do as a single parent in that situation?

Coughing is a covid symptom. No one should be out and about with a cough unless they've taken a PCR and know it's not covid.

Agreed! The grateful masses should stay home forever. How dare they be so entitled to things like cancer care. What a world we live in.

Wtf thread are you reading Who wants to deny people cancer care and why?

[quote Jakie7700]@Strictly1
Why are they having a PCR test for a headache or runny nose? No wonder why in some areas test results are taking days.[/quote]
Here for one.

Well, YOU might think that Covid is nothing more than a trivial cough or cold, but it seems the global medical and scientific community disagrees with you. Therefore, for the time being, yes, it would be selfish for you to send your child into school with what, like it or not, are recognised Covid symptoms.
How long this will be the case is anybody's guess. But we need to suck it up because this is the bugger that a global pandemic is. Those of us who have appreciated the case have been called scaremongers and doom merchants from the start.
What you do as a single parent for childcare is up to you, not me. When my children were small, I dug deep to have back-up plans. It wasn't easy (or cheap) but it was necessary. It is even more necessary now, but you trying to pretend Covid is not serious because it's inconvenient to you is not the answer.

In most areas as read OCR results are coming back in less than 24 hours, often sooner. Most they miss is a day generally.

Lots of school staff are still vulnerable. Yes, most are vaccinated but could still catch Covid.

Children, especially teens, should remain under the same rules as everyone else. If they have symptoms, they test. Released from isolation within 24 hours in most cases if negative.

As it spreads through schools and families the number of isolation s will naturally reduce. We've already seen it here. This time last year our school was badly hit with 75% staff hit, along with many pupils and families. This year, same time, we've had 4 positive cases. Huge drop.

"The public are so God damn selfish for not wanting to be constantly punished and isolated."

Punished? Who is "punishing" them? That's the sort of argument I'd expect to hear from a teenager.

@MrsHerculePoirot
So you weren't asked too have one or been in close contact with a positive case. So you purposely gave false info on the site to gain a test correct?

The bigger picture we should consider is how we treat also illnesses and viruses. Is it really fairly to continue to go to work and school when I'll, spreading it to everyone we meet? Whether it's a cold, flu, Covid or another virus - should we not start to be more responsible and keep out bugs to ourselves?

[quote Jakie7700]@Strictly1
Surely they had other symptoms to trigger a PCR test? You don't get one for a headache?[/quote]
Actually there are lots of reasons to get a pcr, not just the standard and out of date three symptoms. A quick Google shows you all the reasons why a pcr may be suggested.

And yes, for younger people the three main symptoms aren't actually accurate and are out of sync with much of Europe and further afield.

@catgirl1976

I agree we need to learn to live with COVID but living with COVID does NOT mean running around pretending it doesn't exist and carrying on as before.

To live with COVID we need to accept simple measures like mask wearing and ventilation. We need to accept that sometimes restrictions may be necessary for a period. We need to accept we may need to isolate whilst we get tested. We need to make sensible decisions about how we socialise and work. We need everyone who is able to do so to get vaccinated and have booster where they can.

This ^^

People who keep saying 'we need to learn to live with Covid' & all the similar things? Really mean 'I want things exactly how they were before we'd heard of Covid

Don't they think that's what we ALL fucking want???

But we can't.

Covid exists! Yes, it's probably going to be around forever now ?at least for a couple/few years.

We CANNOT overwhelm. The NHS continually.

Not everyone can have the vaccinations or they're not terribly effective. Do it may suit some people to close their ears to that, but actually some of us give an actual fuck about those people.

I have underlying issues & I'm over 50, I've had my booster & I take as many precautions as possible. Unfortunately I still have to ho to the hospital & various clinics and the more Covid there is in the community, the more chance I have of getting & quite possibly dying of Covid. Plus certain health services not running at all.

So how about a little respect/compassion gor other people & a little understanding that 'living with Covid' does NOT mean 'living the same as before Covid'

FFS

Good post, @SpookyPumpkinPants.

It is a fact you cannot book a PCR online unless you have the 3 main symptoms or have been asked to unless you lie and say you do.

This is untrue. In many many cases you are advised to get a PCR for a range if reasons, not just for the governments three main symptoms.

"So you purposely gave false info on the site to gain a test correct?"

You keep trying to take the moral high ground on this, but to be honest, I think that to purposefully avoid testing for symptoms that everyone (or at least, most people) acknowledge to be widespread, is a far worse thing.
Is that so you can avoid the potential inconvenience of a positive result?

[quote Jakie7700]@Strictly1
Why are they having a PCR test for a headache or runny nose? No wonder why in some areas test results are taking days.[/quote]
Bloody hell. Either educate yourself or crawl back under your rock.

@CallmeHendricks
It's clearly obvious you have never found yourself struggling to find 50p for a loaf of bread to feed your children. I myself do not have to worry about the kind of situation I mentioned I consider myself very lucky. But in my work I meet people like that everyday who have had to send their children in whilst having covid symptoms and hope they don't get sent home. Because the harsh reality is if they did they would lose their job and end up homeless. So no in that situation I do not think it's selfish it's purely survival.

I am sure the millions of families in poverty would love to to have 'back up plans' like yourself but many come from abusive homes themselves so do not have this luxury. Pretty easy to say it is selfish when you are not living the life right now isn't it.

[quote Jakie7700]@CallmeHendricks
Regarding people being called selfish by teachers for sending kids in with mild cough/cold symptoms. Wtf are the suppose to do if they keep having to take time of work to wait for OCT and may lose their jobs is that fair on them? What about the parent who cannot afford food for them as they had to take a extra two days of unpaid while waiting again for a PCR result because a child coughed a few times in class. What would you do as a single parent in that situation?[/quote]
Schools will likely have mechanisms in place in that scenario. The school I teach in is in the top 20% for proportion of disadvantaged students. We know our families. We know who needs food vouchers or a food box and support accordingly or use our local charity partners to do so.

Are we back to everyone pretending they care about disadvantaged students again now it fits their agenda… funny how I’ve heard fuck all about the issues these students face day in day out recently…. Or maybe I haven’t seen all your posts advocating for them?

@SpookyPumpkinPants
Please do educate me pumpkin

I agree this is not fair on the kids or parents of kids. Missed so much education

Does my adult DS have to accept that he can only leave the house once a day to buy his lunch and once a year for dinner on his birthday for the rest of his short life? Never see me or his siblings in the flesh again?

YANBU

@Jakie7700

I've just been on the gov PCR booking website.

What it actually asks you is this:

Does the person who needs a test currently have any coronavirus symptoms?

Yes, they currently have symptoms
No, they do not currently have symptoms
WarningIf they have a high temperature, a new continuous cough, or loss or change to their sense of smell or taste, they should stay at home until they get their result. They can leave home to get or post a test. Check if people they live with need to self-isolate on NHS.UK.

It does not say do they have any of the three old symptoms that we used to use. It just says do they have any symptoms of Covid. So if you have a headache or runny nose, given these are now the main symptoms of Covid you would click yes.

No false information, no lying just answering the question correctly and you get your test. It doesn't say they need to isolate but any right thinking person would do so if they thought they might have it.

But we can't

Yes we can.

I don’t think I mentioned anything about my reasons for getting a PCR? Not sure why you’re now accusing me of lying. Bizarre.

I gave you examples of local public health advising parents at local schools to test for a large variety of symptoms…and to keep students off until they receive a negative PCR. That’s not uncommon in outbreak schools.

My school send home coughing students (as per coughing guidance) and ask for negative PCR before returning. Because if you have a cough you’re supposed to test… as per gov guidance.