AIBU That we learn to accept COVID is here to stay!

[Jakie7700]

That now a massive number is double vaccinated those who want to be and that teenagers have started to be offered them, it seems so ridiculous that kids are still losing out on school because they are being sent home as they have a minor cold with minor cough. Covid will still be around in years to come, so will children still be sent home then with a mild cough due to colds?

Many missed days of school waiting for PCR results, parents usually mothers missing work over and over. Nobody seemed to care two years back when these same children were spreading flu, chicken pox etc which can all kill or cause serious complications both in adults and children.

Nothing is going to change you can get COVID again like a cold. Just last week I heard of two friends kids being sent home because of mild cough (coughed three/four times the whole day) missed days of school waiting for results only to be negative and then told this will happen every time they have a cough which as most will know in primary children will be alot over winter! These same parents who have nearly lost jobs due to having to juggle childcare through lockdowns. Surely it is just time to accept COVID is isn't going anywhere and stop making kids espeically suffer.

@jakie7700

You said you think its wrong for a coughing child to be sent home to be tested.

You said you wont test child with symptoms you know can be covid if they arent the original 3. You said its not realistic to expect people to keep their children with symptoms that could be covid at home.

These are the only mitigations that still exist to protect people including CEV children. You said these mitigations are wrong because children are missing education, because SEN children are struggling with sensory issues of tests, because poor families cant afford it.

Seems you havent mentioned/considered CEV children to me

@noblegiraffe
I am not berating schools or teachers for that matter. I have seen how different some schools are treating the guidance. Some are saying coughing a few times a day fine, others saying nope you have to go home get a PCR surely they should all be singing from the same sheet? Like any school some are fantastic others are awful.
I did not say kids with COVID should be in school.

I did not say kids with COVID should be in school.

How have you decided, in the absence of a covid test, that these coughing kids do not have covid?

You can’t, and therefore you are arguing that kids with covid, who are displaying symptoms of covid should be allowed to attend school. You are also suggesting that schools who don’t allow kids with covid, with covid symptoms into school to spread that covid around are ‘awful’.

@Covidworries
Yes you are right I did say I would not give false info on gov.uk to get my child a PCR if they had a headache and no other symptoms. If that makes me bad then so be it. Like I said I have as a adult done everything I can to protect others personally espeically those who are CEV.

I wouldn’t do a PCR for a headache

I would because I haven't had a headache in the past 20 years, and only a handful before that. So having a headache, for me, would be a sign that summat's definitely up.

So your issue is with the inconsistency of the application of the guidance re PCR tests?

@noblegiraffe
No I did not say school are awful for not letting kids with COVID in. I was saying in general some schools are great as a whole others are awful. That has nothing to do with COVID just schools in general.

The argument seems to have moved from children missing school to parents being forced to send their children in unwell

Indeed. The goalposts have moved by several continents.

@Hercisback
Like I stated in my OP one friend had a child sent home as they coughed three times in a day. Her other child's who is at a different school said they would only send home if they were constantly coughing for a hour or so in total. So yes there does seem to be inconsistent between schools.

@CoolOven
Sorry I did not realise I wasn't allowed to bring up other concerns in the same thread. Shall I start another 😂

Also just to point out does anyone care about SEN children with sensory needs that will point refuse or have a meltdown at a PCR. What happens then each time they cough do they have to isolate for 10 days?

My daughter has SEN to the point she has no speech and is doubly incontinent. She doesn't even know how to cough, if that makes sense.
We still managed to give her a PCR when a carer tested positive.
She didn't like it, but needs must when the devil drives.

OK we've finally established your problem is with the inconsistency between schools applying the rules.

What's you're proposed solution?

So far you've suggested not covid testing symptomatic children. Not sure that's a good idea. Do you have any better ones?

Your*

OP, have you ever been worried about such children before now?

Nah. Only when it suits.

[quote Jakie7700]@noblegiraffe
No I did not say school are awful for not letting kids with COVID in. I was saying in general some schools are great as a whole others are awful. That has nothing to do with COVID just schools in general.[/quote]
You said how different some schools are treating the guidance. Some are saying coughing a few times a day fine, others saying nope you have to go home get a PCR surely they should all be singing from the same sheet? Like any school some are fantastic others are awful.

So the fantastic and awful comment had nothing at all to do with the preceding comment? And it’s just a coincidence that the school that allowed coughing kids with covid to attend came first, like ‘some schools are fantastic’ and the school that sent kids with covid home came second, like the ‘awful’ school? The comment about fantastic and awful schools was just random and totally unrelated.

Or children with SEN to isolate each time as they can't do a PCR

99% of SEN can, and do. You have to trust me on that.

@Hercisback
Yes that is one concern. And I am sure teachers will bash on me again but schools/teachers/head teachers need to all be saying the same so if it's 3 coughs a day or one hour of coughing etc but they are not.
But also something needs to be addressed about how we help with people that have no choice but to send a unwell child to school

@noblegiraffe
What are you talking about?

schools/teachers/head teachers need to all be saying the same so if it's 3 coughs a day or one hour of coughing etc but they are not.

You think teachers should be diagnosing covid instead of PCR tests?

Shall we just add it to the job description?

Incidentally, it is perfectly possible to have an exceptionally minor cough that you don’t think can possibly be covid, and for it to be covid.

A child in my family has SEN so yes I have always been concerned regarding covid and how difficult it has been for them. So no it is not to suit any argument you feel I have. So how do you feel about SEN children who can't for sensory needs take a PCR having to miss 10 days each time they may have a cough over winter?

My own daughter has severe SEN, and we have managed to do two pcr's. If we'd not managed that I was quite prepared to keep her home until the coast was clear. I'd rather she missed a week or so of school than pass it on to her vulnerable classmates.

[quote Jakie7700]@noblegiraffe
What are you talking about?[/quote]
Your post. Where you talked about fantastic and awful schools in the same breath as how they deal with covid then pretended it was a general comment and nothing to do with how they deal with covid.

@noblegiraffe
Again I never said or implied teachers should be diagnosing covid. I am saying they all should be giving the same correct information to parents regarding a cough do you disagree with that?

In our case as I wanted my child to return to his ( special ) school I had had to hold him down whilst my dh swabbed his nostrils ,it wasn't pleasent but at least he could return to school ,sadly in his school there are some pupils who have profound and multiple learning disabilities they are on oxygen ,tube fed etc so school absolutely need a negative result before children with symptoms can return

At last. A realistic post from a fellow parent of a child with significant SN, We do the LFT too, but as she is 32 and taller than me, it's not easy. Better that though, than she infects a vulnerable classmate.

That, OP, is the real world.

I am saying they all should be giving the same correct information to parents regarding a cough

Which is 3 coughing episodes in a day or a coughing episode lasting an hour+ both of which are difficult for an individual teacher to diagnose particularly at secondary when lessons are an hour long.

You don’t want coughing kids to be sent home to be tested but you also don’t think that kids with covid should be in school. You can’t have it both ways.

You don’t want coughing kids to be sent home to be tested but you also don’t think that kids with covid should be in school. You can’t have it both ways

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