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Data, Stats, Daily Numbers started 22nd October 2021

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boys3 · 22/10/2021 22:22

This is the DATA thread.

Our preference is for factual, data driven and analytical contributions.

Please try to keep discussion focused on these.

The links below cover a range of data sources. Ideas for additions or deletions always welcome. PHE probably should be referenced at UKHSA.

UK govt press conferences slides & data www.gov.uk/government/collections/slides-and-datasets-to-accompany-coronavirus-press-conferences#history
PHE Variants of Concern Technical Briefings www.gov.uk/government/publications/investigation-of-novel-sars-cov-2-variant-variant-of-concern-20201201
PHE Vaccine efficacy www.gov.uk/government/publications/phe-monitoring-of-the-effectiveness-of-covid-19-vaccination
SAGE : Minutes and Models www.gov.uk/government/collections/scientific-evidence-supporting-the-government-response-to-coronavirus-covid-19
Data Dashboard coronavirus.data.gov.uk/ includes R estimates
PHE Weekly Flu & Covid Surveiilance Reports 2021-22 Season www.gov.uk/government/statistics/national-flu-and-covid-19-surveillance-reports-2021-to-2022-season
Dashboard Vaccine Map to MSOA level coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/interactive-map/vaccinations
Covid 19 Genomics www.cogconsortium.uk/tools-analysis/public-data-analysis-2/
Sanger Genome Maps & Data covid19.sanger.ac.uk/lineages/raw
UCL Virus Watch ucl-virus-watch.net/
NHS Vaccination data www.england.nhs.uk/statistics/statistical-work-areas/covid-19-vaccinations/
Sewage www.gov.uk/government/publications/wastewater-testing-coverage-data-for-19-may-2021-emhp-programme/wastewater-testing-coverage-data-for-the-environmental-monitoring-for-health-protection-emhp-programme.
Sewage reports www.gov.uk/government/publications/monitoring-of-sars-cov-2-rna-in-england-wastewater-monthly-statistics-june-2021
Global vaccination data ourworldindata.org/covid-vaccinations
R estimates UK & English regions www.gov.uk/guidance/the-r-number-in-the-uk
Imperial UK weekly LAs, cases / 100k, table, map, hotspots statistics imperialcollegelondon.github.io/covid19local/#map
NHS England Hospital activity www.england.nhs.uk/statistics/statistical-work-areas/covid-19-hospital-activity/
NHS England Daily deaths www.england.nhs.uk/statistics/statistical-work-areas/covid-19-daily-deaths/
Cases Tracker England Local Government lginform.local.gov.uk/reports/view/lga-research/covid-19-case-tracker
ONS MSOA Map English deaths www.england.nhs.uk/statistics/statistical-work-areas/covid-19-daily-deaths/

Scot gov Daily data www.gov.scot/publications/coronavirus-covid-19-daily-data-for-scotland/
Scotland TravellingTabby LAs, care homes, hospitals, tests, t&t www.travellingtabby.com/scotland-coronavirus-tracker/
PH Wales LAs, cases, tests, deaths Dashboard public.tableau.com/profile/public.health.wales.health.protection#!/vizhome/RapidCOVID-19virology-Public/Headlinesummary
ICNRC Intensive Care National Audit & Research reports www.icnarc.org/Our-Audit/Audits/Cmp/Reports
NHS t&t England & UK testing Weekly stats www.gov.uk/government/collections/nhs-test-and-trace-statistics-england-weekly-reports
PHE Surveillance reports & LA Local Watchlist Maps by LSOA (from last summer) www.gov.uk/government/collections/nhs-test-and-trace-statistics-england-weekly-reports
ONS England infection surveillance report each Friday www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/healthandsocialcare/conditionsanddiseases/bulletins/coronaviruscovid19infectionsurveypilot/previousReleases
Datasets for ONS surveillance reports www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/healthandsocialcare/conditionsanddiseases/datasets/coronaviruscovid19infectionsurveydata/2020
ONS Roundup deaths, infections & economic reports www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/healthandsocialcare/conditionsanddiseases/articles/coronaviruscovid19roundup/2020-03-26
Zoe UK data covid.joinzoe.com/data#interactive-map
ECDC (European Centre for Disease Control rolling 14-day incidence EEA & UK www.ecdc.europa.eu/en/cases-2019-ncov-eueea

Worldometer UK page www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/uk/
Our World in Data GB test positivity etc, DIY country graphs ourworldindata.org/coronavirus/country/united-kingdom?country=~GBR
FT DIY graphs compare deaths, cases, raw / million pop ig.ft.com/coronavirus-chart/?areas=eur&areas=usa&areas=bra&areas=gbr&areas=cze&areas=hun&areasRegional=usny&areasRegional=usnj&areasRegional=usaz&areasRegional=usca&areasRegional=usnd&areasRegional=ussd&cumulative=0&logScale=0&per100K=1&startDate=2020-09-01&values=deaths

PHE local health data fingertips.phe.org.uk/profile/health-profiles
Alama Personal COVID risk assessment alama.org.uk/covid-19-medical-risk-assessment/
Local Mobility Reports for countries www.google.com/covid19/mobility/
UK Highstreet Tracker for cities & large towns Footfall, spend index, workers, visitors, economic recovery www.centreforcities.org/data/high-streets-recovery-tracker/

Our STUDIES Cornerwww.mumsnet.com/Talk/coronavirus/3869571-Studies-corner?msgid=99913434

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Tuba437 · 31/10/2021 16:05

This day last week was the first significant case number drop. Today it has dropped again from about 40k to 38k showing its likely not just less testing causing the drop.

alreadytaken · 31/10/2021 16:16

Havent read the minutes yet, the JCVI decision has always seemed irrational so perhaps I should. The long term benefit of natural infection in children is presumably that you no longer have a reservoir of people who can be infected and spread disease. With less infection you also have less risk of new variants. However you can achieve the same aim by vaccination.

I feel to see what is achieved by natural infection that would not be achieved by vaccination - and achieved with less risk to 12-15 year old children. I havent seen the data for younger children yet, it may be true for them too.

It does seem like the infection of children was actually a deliberate policy - with the entirely predictable consequence that they have spread the disease to some of their parents and even some grandparents.

As for politically motivated attacks - some Americans wish to see the NHS collapse, lovely opportunity to make profits. It also removes the pressure to fund health care differently in the US. Not sure where all the doctors are going to come from to make the Americans their extra profits from private care though.

sirfredfredgeorge · 31/10/2021 16:23

However you can achieve the same aim by vaccination

How? Where is this vaccine which prevents infection, and why aren't we using it?

herecomesthsun · 31/10/2021 16:28

The PP's point - which I thought was fairly clear - was that vaccinating children was a reasonable alternative to just letting all the kids catch covid.

here is a table from the British Society from Immunology on the merits of natural infection compared to vaccination.

They write "It's likely that for most people vaccination against COVID-19 will induce more effective and longer lasting immunity than that induced by natural infection with the virus. Even if you've had COVID-19, you're recommended to get the vaccine because it will boost whatever immunity you have from natural infection."

www.immunology.org/coronavirus/connect-coronavirus-public-engagement-resources/covid-immunity-natural-infection-vaccine

Data, Stats, Daily Numbers started 22nd October 2021
sirfredfredgeorge · 31/10/2021 16:32

Here - that was "accurate at time of publishing June 2021" since then Pfizer have said their vaccine has low efficacy beginning from 5 months after second dose - have they updated it in light of the information?

herecomesthsun · 31/10/2021 16:38

You can have a look on the linked website if you want more info.

I don't think that the fall off in efficacy after 5 months is a significant argument against vaccination.

lonelyplanet · 31/10/2021 16:41

Marsha - here's one of the statements with the suggestion that children should be allowed catch it to boost immunity in adults. Deliberately encouraging a potentially severe disease to spread amongst children to protect adults is unethical.

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MarshaBradyo · 31/10/2021 16:42

and achieved with less risk to 12-15 year old children

This wasn’t reflected in the decision though. Marginal but not enough to vaccinate.

'The available evidence indicates that the individual health benefits from COVID-19 vaccination are small in those aged 12 to 15 years who do not have underlying health conditions which put them at risk of severe COVID-19. The potential risks from vaccination are also small, with reports of post-vaccination myocarditis being very rare, but potentially serious and still in the process of being described. Given the rarity of these events and the limited follow-up time of children and young people with post-vaccination myocarditis, substantial uncertainty remains regarding the health risks associated with these adverse events.'

MarshaBradyo · 31/10/2021 16:43

Ok thanks what does broaden immunity to children mean?

That sounds beneficial to that group?

alreadytaken · 31/10/2021 16:45

@sirfredfredgeorge Infection doesnt prevent reinfection either. Both vaccination and previous infection give some protection against reinfection and the data from adults suggests it's pretty similar. It will work better in teenage children than in the elderly (better T cell response).

Any aim that can be achieved by natural infection would have been better achieved by vaccinating teenagers - and without the current hospitalisations and deaths in their parents and grandparents. And lets not forget the death of 15 year old Jorja Halliday, who might not have died if vaccinated.

Piggywaspushed · 31/10/2021 16:45

There was a CDC study published yesterday fred.

MarshaBradyo · 31/10/2021 16:46

I’d have to listen Andrew Pollard explaining detail and reasoning, and to other experts on this.

I don’t automatically jump from JCVI - who were the first to talk about the ethics of vaccinating children as a group for their benefit - to behaving as unethical in same regard.

Piggywaspushed · 31/10/2021 16:47

The bullet point tow above that one is also interesting. Based on dated data that announcement that child to child transmission is rare. And they blithely state 'all adults will be vaccinated'. When did that get mandated?

Piggywaspushed · 31/10/2021 16:48

two.

alreadytaken · 31/10/2021 16:48

@MarshaBradyo I need to read the minutes. By the time the decision was released it seemed pretty apparent that the risks of the vaccine had been overstated compared to the risks of infection. The initia preprint on the risk to young men was roundly criticised and I've always considered the JCVI decision irrational.

sirfredfredgeorge · 31/10/2021 16:51

The initia preprint on the risk to young men was roundly criticised and I've always considered the JCVI decision irrational

If you're talking about the Canadian preprint that was withdrawn, that hit the preprint server after the JCVI decision had been made? If you're talking about another - which?

Piggywaspushed · 31/10/2021 16:54

Quick Q marsha as have just done a double take! Are you still in the London area? Obviously don't answer if you think it is outing to say!

herecomesthsun · 31/10/2021 16:56

@Tuba437

This day last week was the first significant case number drop. Today it has dropped again from about 40k to 38k showing its likely not just less testing causing the drop.
Half term will have had a significant effect on figures this week (even if there were falls at the end of last week). There will probably be an increase in both testing and positives as they all go back.
MarshaBradyo · 31/10/2021 17:01

@Piggywaspushed

Quick Q marsha as have just done a double take! Are you still in the London area? Obviously don't answer if you think it is outing to say!
Piggy yep

Why so? Am intrigued now!

Piggywaspushed · 31/10/2021 17:06

You mentioned Australia and it confused me!

lonelyplanet · 31/10/2021 17:07

Of course catching a disease will broaden immunity but they have not taken into account the number of children who will get long covid, be hospitalised or even die.

Due to the extreme numbers infected of course more are seriously affected. This should have been taken into account. Fred - we know the vaccine isn't 100% effective but it would have reduced the case numbers enormously, even with waning.

The graph from Professor Pagel shows the increased number in child hospitalisations already in this wave. The number, although a fraction of adults admitted, could have been a whole lot lower if children had been vaccinated over the summer. Adult hospitalisations would probably have been lower too.

Data, Stats, Daily Numbers started 22nd October 2021
MarshaBradyo · 31/10/2021 17:14

Piggy fast typing probably, with chicken pox I’m used to it as standard (grew up in Aus) but I’m still wondering about reasons not to - ie longer lasting immunity for girls / women. I don’t know detail just what friend said in passing on why she didn’t do it.

Re hospitalisation figures that’s a child testing positive in hospital is that right? That will increase as numbers in that group goes up. Is it separated from treated for Covid?

Piggywaspushed · 31/10/2021 17:21

Ah, I see! Now it makes more sense!

lonelyplanet · 31/10/2021 17:30

The graph says admitted to hospital with covid. But some will obviously have other complications. It doesn't mean the increase should be ignored.

MarshaBradyo · 31/10/2021 17:30

Hospitalisation rates were part of the JCVI decision weren’t they?