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To think most people would prefer pubs and restaurants close in December than miss out on Christmas with their families again.

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katedan · 21/10/2021 08:40

Plan C of the health secretaries plan if numbers continue to rise and masks and SD don't work is to ban people going around peoples homes again, surely it is better and safer as it will be less people together if they close bars and restaurants and let people have Christmas with family this year.

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takenforgrantednana · 21/10/2021 11:23

[quote rookiemere]@takenforgrantednana your SIL followed the required quarantine and is double jabbed so entitled to live her "risky" lifestyle.
I can see why you don't want to see her as you're much more vulnerable but honestly what's the point of getting vaccinated if you're still getting frowned at for doing things and not following an extended mumsnet invented quarantine period?[/quote]
@rookiemere

if you are confirmed say at 8.30am and do your 10 days quarantine, are you saying she should be sat in the car waiting til 8.31am and go into work? and that at 8.29am she was still contagious but at 8.31am she suddenly isnt? would it really have harmed if she had the thursday and friday off work just to be sure she was clear of it?

takenforgrantednana · 21/10/2021 11:27

@TheKeatingFive

Also, by 'risky lifestyle' do you mean going to work and seeing friends?

Because that's really not an unreasonable way to live.

@TheKeatingFive

by going on pub crawls and being in large crowds at music concerts is what i call risky! that is how she caught it in the first place!

seeing a few friends around in her house or their homes or going to the pub on a saturday afternoon and being sat outside is less risky

TheKeatingFive · 21/10/2021 11:27

would it really have harmed if she had the thursday and friday off work just to be sure she was clear of it?

Well that's up to her.

Would it have benefitted anyone? Not according to the medics/scientists who came up with the quarantine period. I expect there's already extra time built in 'to be sure'.

GastronomicDelights · 21/10/2021 11:30

would it really have harmed if she had the thursday and friday off work just to be sure she was clear of it?

Would she have been paid for those days?

I can't see any employer paying for extra days taken off work "to be sure" over and above what's legally required.

Many of us don't get any sick pay at all (not even SSP if you're self employed) and one period of self isolation would be the straw that broke the camel's back financially.

TheKeatingFive · 21/10/2021 11:30

by going on pub crawls and being in large crowds at music concerts is what i call risky! that is how she caught it in the first place!

She's given all that up for 18 months already. How much longer do you think she should be continuing?

takenforgrantednana · 21/10/2021 11:32

@TheKeatingFive

would it really have harmed if she had the thursday and friday off work just to be sure she was clear of it?

Well that's up to her.

Would it have benefitted anyone? Not according to the medics/scientists who came up with the quarantine period. I expect there's already extra time built in 'to be sure'.

i really doubt it, i think its more a case of people pushing the boundaries to the max they can get away with as they have done all the way through with little or no concern for those of us that have real concerns,
takenforgrantednana · 21/10/2021 11:34

@TheKeatingFive

by going on pub crawls and being in large crowds at music concerts is what i call risky! that is how she caught it in the first place!

She's given all that up for 18 months already. How much longer do you think she should be continuing?

she hasnt given them up already! at every opportunity to do any of them things she has been the first in the que with little thought for the rest of the family she is involved in, because of her we havent been able to go and see our son!
hanahsaunt · 21/10/2021 11:35

No! We must keep the hospitality and arts sectors going. But I do strongly advocate a vaccine plus approach so vaccines AND masks AND passes to go to restaurants/pubs/theatres/museums etc. Mitigations are not a big deal and they do make a difference.

TheKeatingFive · 21/10/2021 11:36

she hasnt given them up already

Of course she has, they've been closed for big chunks of the last 18 months.

TeeBee · 21/10/2021 11:37

Nope, pub every time. And I don't really give a fuck about that either. So long as we're all safe and healthy, I really don't give a fig.

TheKeatingFive · 21/10/2021 11:39

because of her we havent been able to go and see our son!

I don't think it's reasonable of you to ask her to refrain from legal, allowable behaviour. Sounds like she's followed official guidelines.

If you see your son outside, then that's minimising your risk.

Crunchymum · 21/10/2021 11:39

@katedan

How do you know what the "plan C" is? Confused

rookiemere · 21/10/2021 11:40

@takenforgrantednana you could go and see your DS now,as your DIL has had covid recently she's highly unlikely to get it again within a few weeks.

Pythonista · 21/10/2021 11:41

I haven't been to a pub or restaurant for well over two years (not covid related) but it is more important to them to stay open so that they can at least attempt to recoup some of the losses over the last couple of years and so that the staff can, ya know, keep their jobs and pay their bills.

I am still wearing a mask and social distancing but, having been in a supermarket this morning, am reminded that no fucker else bothers. Perhaps if people stop breathing on each other, they will be able to go to the pub and/or family!

hangrylady · 21/10/2021 11:43

My parents are vaccinated and have had boosters, myself and DH are fully vaccinated. They will be coming here for Christmas whether the rules allow it or not.

Redsquirrel5 · 21/10/2021 11:47

Our village pub will be very upset if that happens as they are fully booked for Christmas Dinner already. He has only taken it over in May and they are doing well so far. A lot of people will be scrabbling about for last minute turkeys too and family’s are meeting up.

My boys all work in hospitality and although their workplaces have been very strict they have had a nightmare time. One is Manager and he said because the rules kept changing they were spending extra hours setting up only for the rules to change and have to then re set up. It has also been exhausting with staff logistics. Only had to pull staff teams off twice once because of customers and once because a member of staff got Covid. This is a busy city pub. He has 92 staff instead of 75-80.

Unfortunately here it is the schools that are having the most cases and our numbers are the third highest since March 2020.
I don’t know what the answer is.

julieca · 21/10/2021 11:53

Spread has always been highest in schools, workplaces and large events.
But always they want us not to see our families because it doesn't affect the economy. While ignoring these rules for themselves. We know Dominic Cummings and Boris Johnson have both seen family/friends and broken the rules. If it was no big deal, why they didn't stick to the rules?

SeenYourArse · 21/10/2021 11:55

You’re being a massive dick takenforgrantednana she’s living her life NORMALLY as she’s allowed to it’s a shame you think she should spend the rest of her life indoors alone but thank god it’s got fuck all to do with you, I feel sorry for her I really do. She’s followed the rules and that still isn’t good enough for you, you won’t be happy unless we are all stuck at home with the economy ruined beyond repair, we can all live forever then in our cardboard boxes eating berries and leaves (as we can’t buy food without money can we and there won’t be any jobs) until we are 120 years old unless of course we die of cancer or similar as nobody will be having any operations or chemo again right as we have to stay home again? Like last time which worked so well didn’t it? That’s why we have to keep doing it again and again and again 🤯

Whatiswrongwithmyknee · 21/10/2021 12:00

It's really silly of people to suggest that those who are struggling not to see their family are somehow just not 'engaging their brains'. Those people who think there are no or few costs to people not seeing their families for extended periods of times and on special occasions need to look up from their own (ad?)vantage position. The costs we pay when people are isolated from sources of support are immense and if you can't understand that you need to stay out of debates like this. Lockdowns have a cost and we should not pretend that they don't.

julieca · 21/10/2021 12:04

@SeenYourArse that is incredibly unsympathetic.
This is a difficult situation for everyone.

TheEvilPea · 21/10/2021 12:04

@godmum56

its not a question of what people want and don't want but what will help. Its much easier to manage ventilation, social distancing and so on in a public area, than it is in a private house where folk can do what they please.
Didn't seem to bother people in the Cabinet or many of their advisors.
SpinsForGin · 21/10/2021 12:06

The thing that has surprised me most over the last 18 months is people's inability to understand that people actually work in the hospitality sector and rely on being able to work to live!!!

The shouts to close pubs and restaurants must be so depressing and heart-breaking to read if you work in the sector. I know of three families who work in hospitality and it has been a really tough 18 months.
We need to keep pubs and restaurants open - closing them doesn't just impact pub/restaurant staff but it impacts a much wider section of the economy.

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katedan · 21/10/2021 12:07

[quote Crunchymum]@katedan

How do you know what the "plan C" is? Confused[/quote]
It was in the news conference at 5pm last night with the health Secretary, it is only if plan A and B don't work so hopefully won't come to that but I was interested in people's views given the plan to keep hospitality open and ban mixing in private homes!

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julieca · 21/10/2021 12:08

And mosy workplaces do not socially distance or ventilate.
At home, I have a choice about what to do. At work I have none.

Drumshambo · 21/10/2021 12:09

Schools are what are driving the latest Infections, so in theory it makes more sense for them to close. Hospitality is and has always been much safer than schools,who have little or no mitigations in place. Also the ludicrously of allowing children in to school who have positive family members beggars belief!

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