To think most people would prefer pubs and restaurants close in December than miss out on Christmas with their families again.

[katedan]

Plan C of the health secretaries plan if numbers continue to rise and masks and SD don't work is to ban people going around peoples homes again, surely it is better and safer as it will be less people together if they close bars and restaurants and let people have Christmas with family this year.

We should lockdown for neither - it should be a matter of personal choice if people want to mix

I’ll be seeing my family whatever rules are brought in, hopefully in pubs and restaurants!
I can’t get my head around people wanting huge swarms of the economy out of business. Wonder if you’d feel the same if it was your livelihood.

@TheKeatingFive

Schools would be the absolute last thing to close.

As it should be.

Schools closing doesn't just have an impact on the education of young people. It has a disproportionately negative effect of women's ability to work. The data on women's participation in the labour market over the last 18 months is very depressing to read.

@katedan

Plan C of the health secretaries plan if numbers continue to rise and masks and SD don't work is to ban people going around peoples homes again, surely it is better and safer as it will be less people together if they close bars and restaurants and let people have Christmas with family this year.

"Let people"???

No one and no law is going to stop me from spending Christmas with my family this year

Can't think of anything worse. Especially since we are having our family Christmas celebration with one side of the family during December in a restaurant.

@Oblomov21

Uk = "one of the world’s fastest but is now flagging, with 57.3% of the population fully jabbed and 69% partly vaccinated."

guardian

@Oblomov21 The article you reference was published on 6th August. Figures from BBC website today are 79% double jabbed and 86% single jabbed (population over 12).

@megletthesecond

Just to clarify my yanbu. All I care about is kids at school and the NHS not breaking.

Both schools and the NHS need people's taxes to operate. We can't sustain closing people's livelihoods anymore. I won't be complying with further lockdowns.

@LyricalBlowToTheJaw

People round here are the complete opposite. Very much mask wearing and harsh stares at those who don't. Social distancing is the norm and people are told to back off if they get too close.

If it's the law then people will have to keep it, won't they. Utter bollocks all the posts saying they won't. If you want to go to a pub then keep the rules or stay home.

Lmao MN is such a bubble sometimes. Nobody where I live gives a shit, people were literally running businesses illegally in their homes and telling someone to back off wouldn't be the best idea unless you were ready for the consequences. Frankly even the harsh stares would be ill advised.

I feel so sorry for you having to live in such an awful place.

Aren’t most people seeing their older relatives anyway, not just for one day at Christmas? Lots of grandparents do childcare and/or see their grandchildren regularly anyway.

I’m not in the UK but why haven’t the government there considered just shutting the unvaccinated out of businesses? I know Boris hates the idea of a vaccine passport but it has to be better to lockdown the unvaccinated and let the vaccinated live without restrictions.

Obviously you couldn’t stop the unvaccinated meeting with family but passports would be a big incentive for the hesitant to get jabbed.

ankledeep

So what did you mean by ‘bollocks’ do you think people on here are lying?

Seems a bit daft as it's the only rule that people can (and will) ignore completely. You can't go to the pub if it's closed but you can't stop anyone visiting their sister/boyfriend/parents etc

Start Plan B, so we never reach that point!

I don't think that most people would comply with not seeing family in their homes again at Christmas, and my understanding is that most cases are spread within family homes, and in schools at the moment, not in pubs and restaurants.

I think there would be more damage economically to closing them than would benefit in what they add to Covid transmission.

Hopefully the booster doses will get rolled out soon .

@bluetongue

I’m not in the UK but why haven’t the government there considered just shutting the unvaccinated out of businesses? I know Boris hates the idea of a vaccine passport but it has to be better to lockdown the unvaccinated and let the vaccinated live without restrictions.

Obviously you couldn’t stop the unvaccinated meeting with family but passports would be a big incentive for the hesitant to get jabbed.

Perhaps because case rates are higher in the vaccinated per 100,000.

Other than in children who catch it at school?

And most transmission is in the home and hospitals anyway. So how would this be effective?

I feel so sorry for you having to live in such an awful place.

The population of my area will no doubt be as moved by your concern as I am, but meanwhile, hopefully you've now learned that something being the law does not, in fact, mean people will have to stick to it and that you were being extremely silly claiming that nobody will refuse compliance. If not, perhaps my community need to start doing some educational outreach visits.

@LyricalBlowToTheJaw

I feel so sorry for you having to live in such an awful place.

The population of my area will no doubt be as moved by your concern as I am, but meanwhile, hopefully you've now learned that something being the law does not, in fact, mean people will have to stick to it and that you were being extremely silly claiming that nobody will refuse compliance. If not, perhaps my community need to start doing some educational outreach visits.

Yes, dear.

But, for example, if the law closes the pubs then people can't use them. Daft to think you could.

@RufustheBadgeringReindeer

ankledeep

So what did you mean by ‘bollocks’ do you think people on here are lying?

They can't go to places the law has closed, as I said.

Yes, dear. wink

But, for example, if the law closes the pubs then people can't use them. Daft to think you could.

Nobody said they could, babes, so that's a strawman you've set up to savage. Rather dopey of you to imagine you'd get away with a goalpost move like that. Though some of us would actually have the option of drinking in illegal shebeens in people's garages if we liked!

They can't go to places the law has closed, as I said

Ah gotcha, thank you for clarifying

I took it that most people were saying that they would be mixing at home…not that they would be at a closed venue

Has anyone said that they would still go to the pub if it was closed?

Daft thing to say if so

@liveforsummer

Seems a bit daft as it's the only rule that people can (and will) ignore completely. You can't go to the pub if it's closed but you can't stop anyone visiting their sister/boyfriend/parents etc

Yeah…this is what I thought people were saying 😀

bluetongue
I’m not in the UK but why haven’t the government there considered just shutting the unvaccinated out of businesses? I know Boris hates the idea of a vaccine passport but it has to be better to lockdown the unvaccinated and let the vaccinated live without restrictions

Probably because the tin hat/antivaxxer brigade said that was what would happen and it would prove them correct and if they are correct on one thing people will wonder what else they are correct on

Plus we are so bloody minded that it would probably have the opposite affect in what the government wanted to achieve
Covid passports for everything it would only make people who are wavering to not get the jab and make them suspicious of the reasoning behind the vaccines

I’m not in the UK but why haven’t the government there considered just shutting the unvaccinated out of businesses?

So why don’t you worry about what your government is doing not ours? Baffling level of self importance.