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To think most people would prefer pubs and restaurants close in December than miss out on Christmas with their families again.

450 replies

katedan · 21/10/2021 08:40

Plan C of the health secretaries plan if numbers continue to rise and masks and SD don't work is to ban people going around peoples homes again, surely it is better and safer as it will be less people together if they close bars and restaurants and let people have Christmas with family this year.

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LaetitiaASD · 21/10/2021 10:43

@TheSpiral

If it was a choice between the two then yes, I personally would prefer family. I don’t think the government would have a leg to stand on telling people they couldn’t meet up with family over Christmas given Johnson’s arrangements last Christmas. I followed the rules last year because I thought it was the right thing to do, and I was very upset about it. I wouldn’t do it again.
Why would you put you family at risk just to get back at our immoral lying PM?
GabriellaMontez · 21/10/2021 10:44

Yabu to imagine you know what most people want.

Yabu to think closing pubs would even help.

You are daft to think people will comply with not seeing friends /family over Christmas again.

Angel2702 · 21/10/2021 10:44

I don’t think either are going to be popular. If you still have to force closure of sections of the economy or stop people seeing family with vaccines rolled out then what? This is going to be done every year? If vaccines don’t stop drastic restrictions then what will? Businesses will not survive being forced to close every winter and people won’t give up family for half the year.

Zero chance they will get people to be parted from friends and family again.

ExConstance · 21/10/2021 10:47

I don't think your views have much support OP. I have lots of meals out, concerts and theatre trips booked between now and next February. If there are rules about mixing over Christmas i won't comply, and if they close our local lovely pub again I'll have to be dragged out of the bar on the last opening day.
Enough is enough.

HeyDugeesCakeBadge · 21/10/2021 10:48

Gastro, I can't open those links.

TertiusLydgate · 21/10/2021 10:48

I’d far rather go to pubs and restaurants with mates over the Christmas period than have my family here on Christmas Day 😂

Angel2702 · 21/10/2021 10:48

I also don’t agree with encouraging boosters and threatening lockdowns whilst still being out of step with the rest of the world and only offering teens one vaccine. Offer them the same protection before bringing in restrictions.

TertiusLydgate · 21/10/2021 10:51

If they are going to do anything, they should introduce vaccine passports and not allow unvaccinated into pubs, clubs, restaurants, theatres etc. That would solve the uptake rate for those that can, but choose not to.

I have a couple of friends that happily admit they’ll only get vaccinated if it means there will be restrictions on them otherwise.

Onandoff · 21/10/2021 10:52

We need to get the boosters rolled out much faster.
Make vaccines mandatory (it is the unvaccinated taking ITU beds). If that is unpalatable then vaccine passports to access indoor public places.
Masks on public transport.
Test people attending mass events.
Encourage twice weekly LFT and ensure the positive are given their proper wage and protection to isolate.

ginnybag · 21/10/2021 10:52

No. Enough, now.

The vaccines do and are working to keep people out of hospital. The vast, vast majority of hospitalised cases are unvaccinated. They are the solution, and, bluntly, there's no other cavalry coming over the hill so its either keep the uptake high enough to be effective or accept the losses and the impact if we don't. There are no other long-term options.

Get Valneva and Novavax approved to open up an additional vaccine supply, push the booster programme, and open it to anyone whose second dose was 6+ months ago, push the 12-15 programme and give parents the option to take their kids to walk in clinics rather than waiting for it to come to the school, and push the flu vac programmes hard to reduce the impact of this.

I'd also be suggesting that we do bring in passports for large scale indoor events. Most theatres are doing this anyway and its really not a huge issue for staff or attendees, and nightclubs are already ID checking, so what's the harm to add a step? It's 10 seconds to show an app screen, and they allow a negative LFT that day to count as well for those who can't vax.

Bring back mask wearing now on public transport, tight indoor spaces and at large events. No, not everyone can, but a good majority can, and that will help cut transmission. Bring them back for Secondary schools on the buses and in the corridors and in assemblies.

A more out-there idea would be to consider going to remote learning for secondaries and sixth form for the last week of term or so in December, and considering closing all schools slightly earlier on the 13th or 14th, so that there's a clear ten days between the end of school mixing and Christmas. It would allow a planned space as a fire break, but that needs to be decided on and announced now, not in December, so people have time to plan.

But there should be no talk of shutting down the economy again - it simply can't take it. A second loss of Christmas trade for leisure, hospitality and retail will finish most of it off for good.

I also very much doubt people will cooperate with a household mixing ban, and the government should be proceeding on the assumption that they won't.

We won't. I've followed every rule, as have my family, but I have a mother and a MIL for whom (unless several minor miracles happen) this Christmas is very, very likely to be their last. I won't risk not seeing them (and asking them to be alone) and I won't 'pick' between them, either. We're all jabbed, we'll take very precaution around everyone testing but we won't follow an instruction not to see them.

MintJulia · 21/10/2021 10:56

I disagree. I don't go out much, but a weekly cycle to the pub, and a drink/snack in the garden with friends is more important to me than Christmas.

And anyway, if I want to do family Christmas, I can choose to isolate for 10 days beforehand.

SeenYourArse · 21/10/2021 10:56

I won’t do it I won’t follow any more restrictions barring mask wearing if I HAVE to, I won’t stop working again I’m not losing my home! I’m really not going to sit on my arse at home and allow it to happen (self employed) and I won’t stop seeing my family life’s too short who knows what’s around the corner, I’ve had Covid and am fully vaccinated, I’ve done all I can to protect others now it’s time to get on with my life. I’ve followed all the rules to date but it’s done for me now my mental and financial health can’t take any more and we all know there’s no help for me with either of those from the people responsible for them in the first place!!!

ginnybag · 21/10/2021 11:01

My other issue is that the 'closures' are never even handed. Pubs have been opened/allowed to be open, when many other things are not.

Theatres, as an example, have had far harsher restrictions for longer than sports/pubs etc. They've genuinely only just reopened.

I don't support shutting pubs OR banning mixing, but if we are going to, then treat everything the same. It was soul-destroying watching hundreds drinking and singing in pubs whilst my little theatre couldn't operate. They contribute to the economy, they are people's jobs, and they are people's social contact, too - including the amateur groups. They're not less worthy than a local sports team, just less likely to kick off in the streets!

doublemonkey · 21/10/2021 11:03

The repercussions of the last shut down are kicking in now. Empty shelves, energy crisis, supply chain issues, problems seeing GPs etc.

If we allow another one we will be well and truly fucked. We know more about the virus now and we have serious choices to make. Destroying the economy and peoples jobs on the eve of a potential global economic crisis is not a good idea.

SeenYourArse · 21/10/2021 11:04

@Angel2702

I don’t think either are going to be popular. If you still have to force closure of sections of the economy or stop people seeing family with vaccines rolled out then what? This is going to be done every year? If vaccines don’t stop drastic restrictions then what will? Businesses will not survive being forced to close every winter and people won’t give up family for half the year.

Zero chance they will get people to be parted from friends and family again.

I also agree with this wholeheartedly it’s struck a chord, you are very correct here. If vaccinations aren’t allowing us to cope as a nation then what next? Keep going in a cycle of lockdowns until 90% of the country is homeless as all the employers have folded and we as a country are trillions in debt to keep paying everyone UC so they can survive on basic food rations from their bed in a homeless hostel?! If you are vulnerable or have anxiety about catching it then take any extra precautions you wish even lock yourself down but the rest of us need to crack on and rebuild our businesses
takenforgrantednana · 21/10/2021 11:06

@Hemingwayscats

I honestly don’t think anyone would stick to the rules at all if they even attempted to enforce it.
as far as our family is concerned, we are all double jabbed. and if it was a choice of seeing them or being able to go to the pub then my family win every time! we have followed the rules to the letter all the way thr with the only exception being of my daughter in law, and despite her being double jabbed she still came down with covid 2 weeks ago, she had her quarantine timed down to the minute! (clearly she thinks her social life/worklife more important!) than staying at home an extra day or so to be certain, im so glad i dont work with her! we had a lucky escape as she was confirmed positive on the sunday and husband had said to go and visit them on the saturday, thankfully i had said no due to being busy with something else, and i really cant afford to be ill with covid due to having copd and heart failure. it would have been adios for me. yes im annoyed at her for the risky life style she lives, we always knew she was going to be the weakest link in our family

so yes i do go out to the shops, i stay away from people, if anyone is standing to close then i use the trolley to put distance between us if they dont get that hint then a very clear stand back your too close from me, i dont care wht they think or if it offends then one bit,

thankfully the weather is now turning cold, but this summer the number of chairs and tables outside on the pavements in our highstreet made it near impossible to walk along! hey heres one for you why not allow all the other shops to bring out their wares and sell outside on the street? no different is it but they arent allowed to do that, double standards.

so for those reasons i avoid going out or minimise the times i need to go shopping

rookiemere · 21/10/2021 11:15

@takenforgrantednana your SIL followed the required quarantine and is double jabbed so entitled to live her "risky" lifestyle.
I can see why you don't want to see her as you're much more vulnerable but honestly what's the point of getting vaccinated if you're still getting frowned at for doing things and not following an extended mumsnet invented quarantine period?

TheKeatingFive · 21/10/2021 11:19

Also, by 'risky lifestyle' do you mean going to work and seeing friends?

Because that's really not an unreasonable way to live.

Hillary17 · 21/10/2021 11:20

I wouldn’t prefer this. It’s selfish but honestly I want to be able to celebrate Christmas with work friends, to enjoy a Christmas market and some normality! Being stuck in the house with my family on Christmas Day but not being able to live normally the rest of December isn’t the dream for me!

Bythemillpond · 21/10/2021 11:21

Will anyone adhere to the rules
Repeated lockdowns have seen less and less adherence to the stay at home save lives message

As a family we are like a lot of people we know where we live with the only family we can be bothered with and we are in hospitality (businesses and lives have been lost or badly affected because of having to shut down) So it just seems like it is all stick and no carrot.
Only one of our family qualified for furlough. The rest of us were on UC

BigSandyBalls2015 · 21/10/2021 11:21

nobody will take any notice at all if further restrictions return. We can't close pubs and restaurants again, it would be fatal to those industries.

As for 19 and under not going to clubs and pubs ... do you know any of that age!! Clubs and pubs are heaving with late teens. Freshers is in full swing.

Drumshambo · 21/10/2021 11:22

Noooo. !! ! This is beyond stupid now. I want hospitality to be fully opened this Christmas. I have no family nearby, and won't be visiting them at Christmas. I have, however lots of things planned with friends. I have meals out,. Gigs. Nights away and a theatre trip.

I'm sick to death hearing about covid. Much more concerned about the absolute state of primary health care, and the inability to access even the mist basic services! I will not comply with any more of this shit!

alreadytaken · 21/10/2021 11:22

I'd prefer the unvaccinated to get vaccinated, everyone to wear masks on public transport and in supermarkets, vaccine passports for all pubs and nightclubs and for this to be brought in now. Also unvaccinated children who have not had cvoid to stay home when there are covid cases at home. If brought in now there wouldnt be a problem with hospitality and Christmas.

I wont be spending madly on hospitality at Christmas with cases high and no vaccine passports. Wont be hitting the high street either. The economy wont properly recover until people like me feel safe out spending money.

BigSandyBalls2015 · 21/10/2021 11:22

The first lockdown, everyone was scared, it was still unknown how this would all pan out, streets were deserted, it was eery. There will never be that level of compliance again.