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To think most people would prefer pubs and restaurants close in December than miss out on Christmas with their families again.

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katedan · 21/10/2021 08:40

Plan C of the health secretaries plan if numbers continue to rise and masks and SD don't work is to ban people going around peoples homes again, surely it is better and safer as it will be less people together if they close bars and restaurants and let people have Christmas with family this year.

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BudgeSquare · 22/10/2021 16:18

@Biker47

Well done for playing your part in getting us to the peak of nearly 2000 covid deaths per day in late January.

Well nobody who I had at my house on Christmas day and boxing day had covid before, during or anytime after, so no, I played precisely no part in "2000 covid deaths per day in January", so nice try, if you want to try and hide from covid, have at it, let the rest of us lives our lives x

I remember you from other threads now. You're the one who speeds all the time and doesn't give a damn whose life you endanger.

At least you're consistent, I guess.

HesterShaw1 · 22/10/2021 16:27

Well done for playing your part in getting us to the peak of nearly 2000 covid deaths per day in late January.

What bollocks.

I thought we were past all this finger pointing and hysterical blaming of individuals for the fact that a virus spreads. Apparently not.

SpeckyWithTheGoodHair · 22/10/2021 16:28

No, let's not hurt hospitality again. It's been kicked around enough.

AnkleDeep · 23/10/2021 08:14

@Hont1986

I really don't think people would follow it. I see less and less people wearing masks, no social distancing, all that 'only go shopping once a week' stuff has completely disappeared. People just won't go back now. We've sacrificed enough.
People round here are the complete opposite. Very much mask wearing and harsh stares at those who don't. Social distancing is the norm and people are told to back off if they get too close.

If it's the law then people will have to keep it, won't they. Utter bollocks all the posts saying they won't. If you want to go to a pub then keep the rules or stay home.

I really don't understand why people don't want to protect the vulnerable in the community. I'm grateful for living in an area with decent people who care about others.

RufustheBadgeringReindeer · 23/10/2021 08:21

If it's the law then people will have to keep it, won't they. Utter bollocks all the posts saying they won't. If you want to go to a pub then keep the rules or stay home

Well no…

All sorts of things are against the ‘law’ and people still do them, and I’m not sure what you mean by ‘utter bollocks’ but again lots of people did the same last year

SpinsForGin · 23/10/2021 09:39

If it's the law then people will have to keep it, won't they. Utter bollocks all the posts saying they won't. If you want to go to a pub then keep the rules or stay home.

Well, it's not quite like that is it? Lots of people break the law.
If they close the pubs then people will just gather in houses like they did last time.

Waxonwaxoff0 · 23/10/2021 09:52

@AnkleDeep of course people won't have to keep it. Laws are broken all the time. If laws came in saying we aren't allowed to mix households I would break the law and not feel any guilt in doing so.

ThinWomansBrain · 23/10/2021 09:57

oh, the happy selfish family bubbles, for whom "self isolating" means being at home with adults and /or children rather than being indoors alone 24/7 - you feel so entitled that you want to enforce that on everyone so that YOU can see even more people when it suits you?

GabriellaMontez · 23/10/2021 10:02

I really don't understand why people don't want to protect the vulnerable in the community. I'm grateful for living in an area with decent people who care about others.

Who are the vulnerable? We may have a different group in mind. How long should we protect them? What makes you so sure you know how to protect them or that they want to be 'protected.'

And yes I'll break the rules as I did last Christmas.

Catfox1 · 23/10/2021 10:03

Some of my family work in this industry. They won’t have a home for us to visit at Christmas if hospitality gets shut down again.

TheKeatingFive · 23/10/2021 10:09

Who are the vulnerable?

As ever, seems we're only interested in the covid vulnerable. Shoving the rest of the vulnerable hard under the bus seems to be fair game.

Porcupineintherough · 23/10/2021 10:13

@TheKeatingFive

Who are the vulnerable?

As ever, seems we're only interested in the covid vulnerable. Shoving the rest of the vulnerable hard under the bus seems to be fair game.

Not controlling COVID is shoving loads of other vulnerable people under the bus. Cancelled operations, cancelled scans and check ups, businesses losing money because staff are sick, children losing education because their teachers are ill - the list goes on and on.

The utopia where COVID runs riot, a few expendable people die and life continues as normal for the rest of us doesnt exist.

Whatiswrongwithmyknee · 23/10/2021 10:18

Controlling covid is shoving other people under the bus. We need to stop pretending that there are not pros and cons of each option so we can then have more sensible conversations. Locking down is not risk free. There is also no utopia where we just put life on hold for a bit, control covid and take off where we left off.

LyricalBlowToTheJaw · 23/10/2021 10:20

@Whatiswrongwithmyknee

Controlling covid is shoving other people under the bus. We need to stop pretending that there are not pros and cons of each option so we can then have more sensible conversations. Locking down is not risk free. There is also no utopia where we just put life on hold for a bit, control covid and take off where we left off.
This is true. The pretence that the vulnerable are one group with the same interests does nobody any good at all. If only it were that easy, but sometimes they even have actively opposing interests.
Porcupineintherough · 23/10/2021 10:20

Yeah, if locking down were the only way to control COVID youd have a point @Whatiswrongwithmyknee but it isnt and no one is suggesting that. Hmm

Pythonista · 23/10/2021 10:23

I think telling people to work from home again if possible is a good start. It's not perfect and I know some people don't want to but if it helps keep other measures at bay like closing hospitality, it's a good idea.

LyricalBlowToTheJaw · 23/10/2021 10:23

People round here are the complete opposite. Very much mask wearing and harsh stares at those who don't. Social distancing is the norm and people are told to back off if they get too close.

If it's the law then people will have to keep it, won't they. Utter bollocks all the posts saying they won't. If you want to go to a pub then keep the rules or stay home.

Lmao MN is such a bubble sometimes. Nobody where I live gives a shit, people were literally running businesses illegally in their homes and telling someone to back off wouldn't be the best idea unless you were ready for the consequences. Frankly even the harsh stares would be ill advised.

Pythonista · 23/10/2021 10:24

Interesting that if it was a disease that mainly affected children, I would stake a year's salary on people being more willing to follow any mitigating rules

catsareme14 · 23/10/2021 10:27

Can I ask , what did Boris Johnson do last Christmas? I must have missed this snippet of info . Please don't tell me he met numerous family members whilst I missed seeing my grandchildren???

HesterShaw1 · 23/10/2021 10:33

@Pythonista

Interesting that if it was a disease that mainly affected children, I would stake a year's salary on people being more willing to follow any mitigating rules
Well that's understandable and logical surely?
Waxonwaxoff0 · 23/10/2021 10:35

@Pythonista

Interesting that if it was a disease that mainly affected children, I would stake a year's salary on people being more willing to follow any mitigating rules
Well, children dying is more tragic than elderly people dying to the majority of people. So yes, people would be more willing to follow rules.
Pythonista · 23/10/2021 10:35

It's logical for people on here yes. Self interest rules!

Pythonista · 23/10/2021 10:37

Well, children dying is more tragic than elderly people dying to the majority of people. So yes, people would be more willing to follow rules.

And what about the vulnerable and immune compromised? I guess they are expendable.

Waxonwaxoff0 · 23/10/2021 10:37

People act in their own self interest. Shock!

I would be sad if my 80 year old grandfather died. I would be devastated and broken if my 8 year old DS died. I'm sure most people feel the same.

Pythonista · 23/10/2021 10:39

Yes absolutely - but own the self interest and stop pretending that people are interested in the greater good! Grin