To think most people would prefer pubs and restaurants close in December than miss out on Christmas with their families again.

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Plan C of the health secretaries plan if numbers continue to rise and masks and SD don't work is to ban people going around peoples homes again, surely it is better and safer as it will be less people together if they close bars and restaurants and let people have Christmas with family this year.

@Pythonista

Well, children dying is more tragic than elderly people dying to the majority of people. So yes, people would be more willing to follow rules.

And what about the vulnerable and immune compromised? I guess they are expendable.

Expendable? No. But I'm not willing to put the welfare of strangers above the welfare of my own family.

I do own my self interest. Never pretended otherwise. When it comes down to it, most people will do what is best for their own loved ones. To call that selfish is silly, it's just human nature.

But I'm not willing to put the welfare of strangers above the welfare of my own family.

I completely agree with you. And I admire you for saying it as so many people claim that they are only interested in the greater good even if it means acting against their own self interest

I wouldn't use the word selfish, because actually I think it's completely natural and reasonable

Pythonista people care about their own children more than old or otherwise vulnerable people they don't know.

Don't try and make out that this is selfish sociopathic behaviour. It isn't.

I heard an Age International advert on the radio yesterday. It was trying to persuade me to dig deep to help old people in other countries who have been negatively affected by the pandemic. In essence, to prolong long lives even longer, when there are millions of children whose prospects have been ruined by the pandemic. It made me think

@Waxonwaxoff0 sure but would people care more about your 8 year old than their own father or mother? I doubt it, we're certainly ok with kids in dusty countries along way away dying of easily preventable diseases.

Cross post. Apologies.

Fair enough. Some people on here do though and act as though everyone should put absolutely everyone else ahead of themselves at all times, as if that's normal.

Please see my posts above. I'm not accusing anyone of being selfish.

I completely agree with that way of thinking.

I just wish people would admit that, rather than making out that they are only interested in the greater good.

I think they need to offer the booster to everyone this year. Most people were vaccinated in the spring and summer, so protection was always going to wane in the most dangerous months of the year.

Very, very few people wearing masks anymore - I'm certainly in a minority around here. Not because I'm fearful for myself I hasten to add, but because there are still large swathes of the population (children under 12) unvaccinated. I know they're at less risk of serious complications, but having 2 children myself, I know what an inconvenience it is to have to take time off to care for them while they isolate etc. I don't wish that on others and so take steps to minimise the risk of me passing it on.

Essentially, the sooner the government stops fucking around and gives the nod for mask wearing again and working from home where possible, the less likely we are to need plan c.

Cross cross post @HesterShaw1

[quote Porcupineintherough]@Waxonwaxoff0 sure but would people care more about your 8 year old than their own father or mother? I doubt it, we're certainly ok with kids in dusty countries along way away dying of easily preventable diseases.[/quote]
Course they wouldn't. And I wouldn't expect them to, or restrict their own lives.

@Waxonwaxoff0

Fair enough. Some people on here do though and act as though everyone should put absolutely everyone else ahead of themselves at all times, as if that's normal.

Exactly! Sometimes MN is a different world, with people falling over themselves to be the least self interested, but that isn't human nature

@Pythonista

Please see my posts above. I'm not accusing anyone of being selfish.

I completely agree with that way of thinking.

I just wish people would admit that, rather than making out that they are only interested in the greater good.

Yes I cross posted.

I completely agree with you. The hypocrisy is staggering. Take that woman Lisa someone or other, who was trying to organise school strikes on Twitter. She went on and and about the risk to children, and how she had only been meeting a single friend in the park over the summer with a mask on. Turned out she has some kind of condition which made her CV. Apparently it wasn't all about the risk to all the children at all

@HesterShaw1 absolutely!!

there was a poster on here who was vehemently opposed to schools staying open. She didn't want to not send her dc in she wanted everyone in the same boat. Turned out she was very overweight & she was scared for herself

@Whatafustercluck

I think they need to offer the booster to everyone this year. Most people were vaccinated in the spring and summer, so protection was always going to wane in the most dangerous months of the year.

Very, very few people wearing masks anymore - I'm certainly in a minority around here. Not because I'm fearful for myself I hasten to add, but because there are still large swathes of the population (children under 12) unvaccinated. I know they're at less risk of serious complications, but having 2 children myself, I know what an inconvenience it is to have to take time off to care for them while they isolate etc. I don't wish that on others and so take steps to minimise the risk of me passing it on.

Essentially, the sooner the government stops fucking around and gives the nod for mask wearing again and working from home where possible, the less likely we are to need plan c.

Most people don't need a booster dose of the vaccine so it is a waste of resources to give it to everyone.

Mandatory mask wearing will make little difference and I suspect compliance would be fairly low anyway as even before it ended officially compliance was already plummeting. Work from home, most companies where people can work from home either still are or are hybrid now.

The reality is that the vast majority of transmission between households takes place in private homes, with people ignoring symptoms and not testing. The spread is largely because of those people, as it has been throughout the pandemic.

we chose family xmas last yr over other socialising and as we are Londoners that was against the rules. We did all self isolate before, we would do the same again.

@frazzlesmore

there was a poster on here who was vehemently opposed to schools staying open. She didn't want to not send her dc in she wanted everyone in the same boat. Turned out she was very overweight & she was scared for herself

It does seem to often be the way.

@2typesofjungle

My family suck, I'd rather go to the pub.

Me too

We rarely used pubs and haven’t bothered with restaurants since covid as the risk of the virus outweighs not having to cook for us.
I think many more spend Christmas with family rather than eating out anyway but I can’t see restrictions being imposed given all the restrictions have been removed to “live with the virus” now.

@takenforgrantednana

i just dont understand this need to go to the pub! never have and never will, if i want a drink i can do that at home, same with food, i would rather see my family over going to a pub, i dont want to endure other people little bratts (darlings!) and with the exception of one family member i know my family have more respect healthwise than most who go off out to a pub

Good. Please stay out of pubs. The thought of getting sat next to someone like you is chilling.

@2typesofjungle

My family suck, I'd rather go to the pub.

What a sterile life with no events or hospitality?

Rather vaccine/Covid passports than closure.

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