To think most people would prefer pubs and restaurants close in December than miss out on Christmas with their families again.

[katedan]

Plan C of the health secretaries plan if numbers continue to rise and masks and SD don't work is to ban people going around peoples homes again, surely it is better and safer as it will be less people together if they close bars and restaurants and let people have Christmas with family this year.

No, I'll be going to the pub.

And I'll have my mum round for Christmas whatever the rules say. Just like last year. 🤷🏻‍♀️

Close the pubs or keep them open, I don't care, but I won’t be not seeing my family over winter or any other time of the year.

I know two bar/restaurant owners that would really disagree with you there. They still have bills and mortgages to pay! The money that the government gave them to 'keep them afloat' barely touched the sides and they are literally hanging on with a thread.

People on MN must live in a lovely middle class bubble where every one can work from home/live on a fat pension/have 'hubby' pay the bills..

@UndertonesOfCake yes it will. Several of my friends who own businesses (myself included) are already starting to get a bit jittery.

No way. Keep hospitality open. You can see your family the rest of the year.

Meh, I can't afford to go to any of the restaurants round here anyway apart from shitterspoons so makes little odds to me. Was a bit fucked off at how much tax money (from me and others) got handed over to them previously though so would rather not see that happen again.

In fact keep hospitality open, and I'll bloody well see my family if I need to.

"Ban household mixing" indeed. Fuck that.

@gukvguk

I do NOT think pubs should close.

I've got a couple of gigs booked for December which I wouldn't be sad to see postponed as I'm not sure I want to be in a large room with that many people.

Implement plan B now and pre-empt it so we don't need further restrictions.

That is my thinking bring back compulsory masks and SD and hopefully we can reduce the numbers so we can have a "normal" christmas

Implement plan B now and pre-empt it so we don't need further restrictions.

This is the plan isn't it? It's to nudge people into howling for Plan B in case Christmas is threatened.

This is NOT true. Stop spouting rubbish to scare people.

takenforgrantednana

lets just say she never has been in the last 10 years of her being with my son, "the sharpest knife in the drawer" thankfully my son hasnt taken the relationship any further even tho they live together and he owns the house, and praise be to god they dont have any kids! she hasnt got the capacity to look after a kid properly and would be in serious danger

its a shame really for my son, he could do so much better

So you refuse to see your son because you don’t approve of your dil and it has nothing to do with Covid and her “risky” behaviour.

I would suggest that whatever your dil did you would still not approve.

I don’t think your dil is as stupid as you think.
She knows that she only has to go out and enjoy herself and it keeps you away.

I wouldn’t be surprised that at some point in time they will get married and have children.

What your Ds tells you and what he actually thinks are 2 different things. He knows you hate his choice in partner so he is hardly going to tell you their future plans.

If he really wanted to see you then he would have made time for you.
If he really wanted a different partner then he would have got one in the last 10 years. He wouldn’t be wasting his time.
Seems like he also is quite happy with the status quo

@2typesofjungle

My family suck, I'd rather go to the pub.

Oh Jungle! This did make me chuckle

Well they can close pubs and bars but people will just have get togethers at other people's houses, or they can ban people from meeting inside homes over the winter months and people will just ignore the rules and meet up at people's houses anyway. Either way, many many people will find a way to spend Christmas with other people. Last Christmas was effing shit with the last minute rule change, but those people (and the rest) are unlikely to stick to any rules regarding Christmas get togethers this year so...

Also, pubs, bars, clubs etc have been hit really badly financially so I can't say I think it would be fair for the government to shut everything down again. Unvaccinated people (who are able to get the vaccine but choose not to) need to realise that their choice comes with consequences. It's not fair to risk people's livelihoods or to prevent others from spending time with loved ones because they choose not to get the vaccine. Nothing is fun or fair about Covid but to reinstate big restrictions on vaccinated people to protect those who don't want the vaccine is an absolute piss take.

@takenforgrantednana you sound lovely! Not!!
Haha hats off to your DIL. She’s got you sussed!!

Interesting that my work has just done a u-turn on the 'return to the office' stance.

We are still working from home. Had a choice to return to the office and only 1 person said yes.

90,000 beds and only 6,000 taken up by covid patients, with 7,000 empty according to the news at lunchtime. I guess the situation could change rapidly but I don't think anyone needs to panic yet.

They also said that it is schoolchildren driving infections so the most effective solution would be closing schools or compulsory vaccinations but I don't suppose anyone wants that.

@fourminutestosavetheworld The number of NHS beds includes day beds and maternity care. Anything from 95% and above bed occupancy rate is normally considered unsafe.
And that is because you have to have beds where they are needed. There may be a bed for example in a geriatric ward, but not any good if a child needs admitted. Or a bed in maternity, but no good for a heart attack patient.

the rise in cases also co incided with when people started wearing homemade masks which makes me doubt their ability to even do the basic things of washing hands

Source please @takenforgrantednana

It would be pointless stopping people mixing inside their homes when hundreds and thousands of kids and teachers are crammed maskless into schools for 6 hours every day!

I would prefer to keep my job in hospitality because another shut down would shut down for always the place i work at than see my kids for one day which at the end of the day is all christmas DAY is the first round of shutdowns has closed so many smaller cafes in our town and some of these are businesses that have traded for years and they just didnt survive

What I would like is to start with the masks and household isolations if someone has covid and social distancing again so that we can both keep the hospitality industry open and see our families

The words are so easy and quick to waffle out aren't they?

YABVVU

What I would like is to start with the masks and household isolations if someone has covid and social distancing again so that we can both keep the hospitality industry open and see our families

But social distancing again will have hospitality on its knees. Words are cheap

Who even thinks that?! I will be going the pubs and restaurants and having christmas with my familly regardless of what our dictatorship goverment say.