What is the point of the 12-15 vaccinations?

[loveandroses]

I am 100% pro vaccination and we should all get double vaccinated as soon as possible if we haven't already. But there is something about the 12-15 vaccination programme that is confusing me.

The UK scientific view as I understand it is that there is marginals health benefit (any benefit is good) but that the larger benefit will be to stop educational disruption. From a scientific point of view, how does this make sense?

I thought (please correct me if I am wrong) that with the delta variant and one dose there was very little decrease in infection but more (although not that much) decrease in illness. If the children are infected they can't go to school even if they are not ill so how does this help?

[quote bumbleymummy]@Branleuse the best chance of what? We were talking about children who already had the virus and recovered.

@Walkaround not very . Don’t blame them either![/quote]
well we arent exclusively talking about children who have already had it are we. The OP is asking about whats the point of the 12-15 age having vaccinations at all. I cant honestly understand why anyone who doesnt have allergies or specific reasons not to vaccinate is even umming and ahhing about it. Cannot relate to that mindset at all, especially considering what we have all been through and the fact it is absolutely ripping through schools now. 106 kids in my kids secondary school are currently off with covid plus some staff.
I dont think anyone should be forced to have the vaccine of course, and if they think they are already immune because of previous infection, well thats your choice, but if youre just thinking its fine that kids can just get it, then honestly i think youre as much of a fuckin idiot as those parents that hold measles parties

I cant honestly understand why anyone who doesnt have allergies or specific reasons not to vaccinate is even umming and ahhing about it. Cannot relate to that mindset at all, especially considering what we have all been through and the fact it is absolutely ripping through schools now. 106 kids in my kids secondary school are currently off with covid plus some staff

Because there’s not much benefit unless the child is immunocompromised or morbidly obese. How many of those kids would even be off school if they hadn’t tested positive? Did most have any symptoms beyond what you would expect for a cold?

This one isn’t measles or even chicken pox. I mean, do you get the annual flu shot? Do you have a precise record of all your vaccinations?

Hope you got all the vaccines available out there, like those ones for pneumonia and shingles (nasty vaxx that one). Did you get hepatitis boosters?

Why not rabies?! You never know, they did find rabies in a cave in Scotland, didn’t they? Go get it!

Of course there is benefit. It reduces transmission, it reduces severity.
Ive had the vaccines ive been offered yes including hepatitis and flu shot
Also know several people who have died or been severely ill from covid, one of whom was 13.

@Branleuse. I was specifically replying to this comment of yours

“ I think if your child has already had covid then I would be very surprised if they would have some high risk of reaction to the vaccine.

Its just an intramuscular injection. Vast majority of people have no side effects whatsoever and a few have mild side effects. People are crazy when it comes to injections”

COVID is not the same as measles.

@Branleuse

Of course there is benefit. It reduces transmission, it reduces severity. Ive had the vaccines ive been offered yes including hepatitis and flu shot Also know several people who have died or been severely ill from covid, one of whom was 13.

There’s more vaccines than what you’ve been offered through nhs

Children who are immunocompromised have access to the vaccine, to protect themselves. Hopefully children who are morbidly obese also have access. Otherwise healthy young children shouldn’t have to take a vaccine to protect others, sorry.

Otherwise healthy young children shouldn’t have to take a vaccine to protect others, sorry.

Well it's good that's not why teens have been offered it @UsedUpUsername

And also no one has to take a vaccine

Otherwise healthy young children shouldn’t have to take a vaccine to protect others, sorry.

Who is having to have a vaccine?

I'd like a vaccine to protect my health and I'd like my teens to be protected too. I'll take the risk of the vaccine over the risk of Covid because, for both groups, it's less. It's a no brainer for me and 90% of parents generally. That's why there is a huge demand which the rollout can't meet.

@riveted1

Otherwise healthy young children shouldn’t have to take a vaccine to protect others, sorry.

Well it's good that's not why teens have been offered it @UsedUpUsername

People were giving transmission as a reason that teens should take it. So that’s my answer to it.

@UsedUpUsername

People were giving transmission as a reason that teens should take it. So that’s my answer to it.

Just because random posters on a forum are saying this doesn't mean it's the rationale for it being offered to teens here.

The CMOs have outlined the benefits to 12-15 of being vaccinated (that directly impact them). It's up to individual teens as to whether they think this is strong enough argument to go ahead.

[quote bumbleymummy]@herecomesthsun the benefits did not outweigh the risks enough for the JCVI to recommend it for 12-15 year olds given that ‘substantial uncertainty remains regarding the health risks associated with these adverse events.’[/quote]
The JCVI also have not rolled out the chickenpox vaccine (which is outrageous really).

I am more than happy with the advice on the covid vaccine from the CMOs (and the safety approval of the MHRA) which is line with the practice in the US, most of Europe etc.

If you have problems with other vaccines as well, I guess you'd have problems with this anyhow?

@UsedUpUsername of course theres more vaccines than are routinely offered. I had extra ones when doing nurse training. I havent gone out of my way to pay for extra vaccines but not against it either.

@tigger1001

I'm in Scotland and covid vaccines here (certainly in my area at least) are not being done in school but we have had letters with appointments for vaccine clinics.

However, we need to rearrange them as eldest has had covid recently and you can't have the vaccine within 28 days of a positive test. But no other appointments available. If we want him vaccinated then we need to find a drop in clinic and they only release them 3 days in advance.

Given he's already had covid and they are making it difficult to rearrange appointments then we may just leave this one for the time being.

Im in Scotland. You can turn up at any drop in clinic and get your child done. Im hugely relieved to say both my children have had one dose of the Pfizer. No side effects except a sore arm. My ds had an appointment
but could not go to it. My elderly mum had an appointment and I took him with me and he got it no problem.