What is the point of the 12-15 vaccinations?

[loveandroses]

I am 100% pro vaccination and we should all get double vaccinated as soon as possible if we haven't already. But there is something about the 12-15 vaccination programme that is confusing me.

The UK scientific view as I understand it is that there is marginals health benefit (any benefit is good) but that the larger benefit will be to stop educational disruption. From a scientific point of view, how does this make sense?

I thought (please correct me if I am wrong) that with the delta variant and one dose there was very little decrease in infection but more (although not that much) decrease in illness. If the children are infected they can't go to school even if they are not ill so how does this help?

The 50-70% from the ons.

@bumbleymummy

They must be part of the 30-50% that were estimated to have not been infected yet at the start of term. Obviously much lower now.

At 100,000 infections a week when do you think disruption in education will be over?

Well apparently the case rates are stabilising and starting to fall in 0-19s (coronavirus.data.gov.uk)

Better to get the disruption out of the way early on :)

@bumbleymummy

Well apparently the case rates are stabilising and starting to fall in 0-19s (coronavirus.data.gov.uk)

Better to get the disruption out of the way early on :)

So how much longer will children's education be disrupted?

Another couple of weeks?

Another couple of months?

Another couple of terms?

Or another couple of years?

@bumbleymummy

Well apparently the case rates are stabilising and starting to fall in 0-19s (coronavirus.data.gov.uk)

Better to get the disruption out of the way early on :)

At my dc's school, there is no case at all at the moment. There were some cases end of term, in July, but less than 10 cases, as far as I know. And There were no cases before that too. My dc had only one SI last July due to close contact, that was it. But he doesn't actually know anyone who ha covid yet. So do I, so is my dh.

So, in the really low case areas, with not many SI happened last school year, how do you predict there will be not much disruptions? And I am sure, that there maybe the place where infection rate was rife but also the places there weren't, so how can you be so sure most had it so no teen agers need to worry?

@bumbleymummy

They must be part of the 30-50% that were estimated to have not been infected yet at the start of term. Obviously much lower now.

You said 70% yesterday.

For well over a year, we were told firmly that children don’t really catch covid easily and barely spread it. Now we are told firmly that the majority of children have in fact already caught covid, are now more prone to covid than anyone else, and that they spread it about liberally amongst their peers (but still not to anyone else?). Also, many areas that have always had high rates of covid still seem to have high rates of covid (naming no Manchesters), yet bumbleymummy thinks we will get school disruption out of the way early on. How come places like Manchester still have such high numbers of susceptible people, when you would have thought by now they would have got their disruption out of the way “early on”? Just how reliable are the statistics being collected and the conclusions being drawn from them?

[quote bumbleymummy]@gamerchick no, it really isn’t. I started a thread about it around the start of the year iirc and I think I mentioned it again a few weeks ago (and maybe on another thread over the summer?) hardly ‘banging on’. Perhaps you’re confusing me with someone else?[/quote]

This made me LOL. Really, bumbleymummy? Whenever I see your name on a thread, I know exactly what you're going to say. Almost to the letter. And you've said it more than a couple of times lately. You can't rewrite your own history.

Do a quick search with my name and obesity or BMI and you’ll see it’s a handful of threads that I’ve mentioned them on. I don’t need to rewrite anything dishh :)

Oh years and years, princess. In fact, it’s going to disrupt their entire lives. They’re doomed I tell you, doomed! Is that what you want to hear? Most statisticians think it’s starting to level off now so I imagine it’s going to get to the level of disruption that flu or other respiratory illnesses cause over the winter months.

@Geamhradh 100-70 = 30 remaining as I said above. It was a range that they gave. More children have now been infected over the last few weeks so there will be fewer left to be infected now.

The government seems to be actively trolling us now with this single jab lunacy. Roll up and get your teens half vaccinated- put them through the (small) risk of vaccinated with none of the social benefits - no vaccine pass for events and no easy access to travel abroad. Absolute farce.

My dd will be 12 soon and it's both jabs or none for her. I'm hoping jabs become available privately before summer as I'm planning a large family holiday which dd won't currently be able to attend

I think it is fairly likely that they will be offered the second vaccination in due course (after all, a lot of people are going to want to travel come next summer).

My dd will be 12 soon and it's both jabs or none for her

Why all or nothing? One gives enough protection for someone her age, no?

I'm hoping jabs become available privately before summer as I'm planning a large family holiday which dd won't currently be able to attend

I’ve travelled with my unvaxxed kids abroad and plenty of places accept negative PCRs for them. Where are you going where that’s not accepted?

A European country which won't accept people over 12 who aren't vaccinated.

But most European countries use the green pass which includes proof of previous infection within 6 months or proof of a negative test.

most is fairly obviously the problem…

@herecomesthsun

A European country which won't accept people over 12 who aren't vaccinated.

And where is that out of curiosity? Germany and France both allow negative PCRs for example

ooh sorry I thought that was to me

Funny how it’s unacceptable to limit people’s freedoms with vaccine passes, but OK to limit people’s freedom by not giving them access to a vaccine.

@herecomesthsun

I think it is fairly likely that they will be offered the second vaccination in due course (after all, a lot of people are going to want to travel come next summer).

As said, very few countries require vaccines for entry. Places that encourage tourism and family holidays will naturally have more lax entry policies to accommodate people

I can see why JCVI did it re data and higher risk from second. Still low but numbers show why.

It is a bit annoying for travel but many prob do take negative test or recent infection

Children aged 12-18 are not permitted to enter Malta without proof of full vaccination.

@Walkaround

Funny how it’s unacceptable to limit people’s freedoms with vaccine passes, but OK to limit people’s freedom by not giving them access to a vaccine.

You’ll find that we think neither is OK

To be clearer: just don’t mandate it. I’m sure it will be available privately just like chicken pox when fully approved

If rather it dropped for younger age groups soon

There won’t be many who haven’t had delta or vaccinated at some point soon but many will have have had it asymptomatically

@Walkaround

Children aged 12-18 are not permitted to enter Malta without proof of full vaccination.

Plenty of other places for sun and sand who are more welcoming to tourists. Portugal, Greece, Spain, Turkey, France ….