'No reason to think Covid will become more virulent’/'It could be like common cold by Spring'

[GoldFrankensteinAndGrrr]

Some positive news from people who know what they're talking about this morning.

As far as the common cold claim is concerned, there was the caveat that we have to get through winter first (wouldn't fit on my screenshot but that's all that it said, no predictions of catastrophe or anything).

Yes I know there are still vulnerable people whom covid could affect badly (I'm one of them), but this is good news. Although I'm sure someone will be along soon to tell me it's not

Apologies for my excessively crabby tone on this thread.
This week, I've had to calm the fears of a couple of friends who are starting to feel that nothing is ever going to get better and are near breaking point.
I'm starting to get less patient with those who appear to be deliberately needling and upsetting fragile people right now.
I will try to avoid bad language in future, at least.

@PrincessNutNuts N&J 'educating' people? How, precisely? By telling us to ignore the experts whenever they say something positive, and hang off their every word if they say something frightening? By confidently predicting imminent lockdowns and 100k cases a day? With lies and misinformation (look at the whoppers on this thread alone)?

She posted on this thread and only this thread yesterday. No coincidence, I think, that it was also the only thread yesterday with some positive news. Posters have said many times that her (groundless) dramatic negativity has made their anxiety worse, and she know this, yet she continues. And let's not forget her downright offensive opinions, such as 'lockdown is great for women' as mentioned by K5. I'm not sure that the millions of women who have been left in poverty or were the victims of the huge surge of DV during lockdowns would agree with her. She is well up to speed on all the aspects of lockdown and its effects. Of course she knows about the poverty and DV, yet she posts this anyway. You can see why many think she's not genuine.

Finally, I'm not a 'covid minimiser'. I'm CV, I've had it twice, I know people who have died, I'm on antidepressants for the first time in years as a direct result of the pandemic. I simply choose not to catastrophise, while remaining realistic. When experts tell us there's reason to feel encouraged, I'm more than happy to listen to them over to someone on MN saying the opposite, even if that someone does have a maths degree.

@herecomesthsun

I think the most common scientific / historical perspective has been that pandemics tend to last about 2 years, give or take a bit?

Yes, this is usually the case.

Source: me, a historian,

Of course the irony is that we are in for a tough winter, tougher perhaps that even Nanny thought. But not due to Covid, but to the effects that lockdowns have had, Brexit and Environmental factors

I'm much, much more worried about these factors going into winter than Covid. I volunteer at a food bank and we've already seen a huge uptick in numbers who need help. Removing the UC uplift in this climate makes for the perfect storm.

I don’t think the ‘educate’ part washes

Too much is off. Even the maths and initially I was interested in that type of maths take

No one has to get it all right of course but educate - not really.

@GoldFrankensteinAndGrrr

Of course the irony is that we are in for a tough winter, tougher perhaps that even Nanny thought. But not due to Covid, but to the effects that lockdowns have had, Brexit and Environmental factors

I'm much, much more worried about these factors going into winter than Covid. I volunteer at a food bank and we've already seen a huge uptick in numbers who need help. Removing the UC uplift in this climate makes for the perfect storm.

Yes same here. And that is where it really bothers me the opinions that Nanny has because the implications of the kind of lockdown she wants coupled with the above would be catastrophic and yes the UC makes it the perfect storm.

Social responsibility is always about the bigger picture and moving forward COVID will become a much smaller part of that picture. An important factor no doubt but not the overwhelming one it was last year

I've just remembered N&J's assertion that there are people on MN who are happy that people are dying and that there's a 'let it rip lot' here. Imagine saying that to people who have been personally affected by covid and who have lost people themselves.

Please don't attempt to tell me that's 'education'. That's offensive, insensitive and goady, and no amount of gaslighting will convince me otherwise.

Thank goodness things are looking positive and soon, hopefully, this board will be either mothballed or forgotten, along with some of the horribly nasty, cruel and upsetting stuff that's been said on here in the past year and a half.

@SaskiaRembrandt you have my dream job!

@beentoldcomputersaysno

If nanny and John disappears, does that mean the majority of posters on this thread will need to find someone else to bully?

I think you should perhaps read some of the posts by this particular person before you feel the need to jump in with childish baseless accusations of "bullying".

No one is bullying anyone. Just pulling people up on their crap. MN should have intervened ages ago on these posters.

But still she persists in her mission to educate, and try to bring some reality to our little coronavirus board

Lol at ‘mission to educate’ and ‘reality’ I think everyone now knows there’s none of that going on at all.

@GoldFrankensteinAndGrrr

I've just remembered N&J's assertion that there are people on MN who are happy that people are dying and that there's a 'let it rip lot' here. Imagine saying that to people who have been personally affected by covid and who have lost people themselves.

Please don't attempt to tell me that's 'education'. That's offensive, insensitive and goady, and no amount of gaslighting will convince me otherwise.

Thank goodness things are looking positive and soon, hopefully, this board will be either mothballed or forgotten, along with some of the horribly nasty, cruel and upsetting stuff that's been said on here in the past year and a half.

I agree. All the ‘nail in Santa’s coffin’ and cases ‘simmering ready to boil over’ and ‘let it rip’ such dramatic language the whole time. I wonder why the need for it?

@TheKeatingFive

Wow, some posters are going to have such a hole in their lives when this gets relegated to not that big a deal. What will they do with themselves? 😂

Their health anxieties will find a new outlet…

‘Educate’, if by ‘educate’ you mean ‘drop in mid-discussion with whichever tangentially related views she’s learned will cause the most blowback, respond just enough to get the whole discussion into an angry froth, then disappear.’

Personally, if I wanted to educate people I'd want to keep the discussion on covid, not turn it into Episode 462 of The NannyAndJohn Show.

Here let’s speed it up this time, we all know the script:
“Zoom Christmas, lockdown’s been so great for women, WFHers in cramped flats can just use their new savings to move to lovely big houses in the countryside, work is not for chatting, lockdown any day now how sad.”
“Fuck off Nanny/shut up Nanny/all your predictions have been bullshit so far Nanny.”
“why are you bullying her you meanies!”

Ok there, all done, let’s all tick off that box and get back to the discussion we were having previously.

WFHers in cramped flats can just use their new savings to move to lovely big houses in the countryside

I mean, I'm not surprised, but is this for real? Did she really suggest this? And people still think she's genuine and here to educate?

I doubt Nanny is female.

Must be quite a full time job doing all that research and posting all the time.

I mean, I'm not surprised, but is this for real?

Yup. Was the word ‘shithole’ used? Something highly offensive like that.

But sure, educating 🙄

I've just had a read of today's Coronavirus news over various news sites and the words 'cautiously optimistic' seem to be the theme. No 'full blown' lockdown likely, possibly a return to social distancing if there's a change, but a lot are still doing that anyway along with mask wearing.

@NannyAndJohn

Thank you, *@PrincessNutNuts*.

The thing that I find most peculiar is that whenever there's a thread where the majority of participants are suggesting caution, it's always my post that ends up getting all the stick.

Yes I agree you do. You get comments about your personality, your relationship etc. when you only discuss covid really.

@MNHQ should have stepped in a long time ago.

@lannistunut nobody should be making offensive, personal and irrelevant comments full stop. But the vast majority of posters don't, with regards to N&J - rather, they call her out on her own offensive, insensitive and inaccurate posts.

There's a huge difference in the more pessimistic posters who back up what they're saying with graphs and data, and what N&J does - which is basically to turn every positive thread into a bunfight and ramp up the anxiety of those already struggling with lies, hyperbole and spurious predictions. And say patently goady things such as lockdown being good for women, posters are happy people are dying and so on.

[quote DobbyTheHouseElk]**@MNHQ should have stepped in a long time ago.[/quote]
They absolutely should have.

This thread is a perfect example as to why.

@Sparklingbrook

I've just had a read of today's Coronavirus news over various news sites and the words 'cautiously optimistic' seem to be the theme. No 'full blown' lockdown likely, possibly a return to social distancing if there's a change, but a lot are still doing that anyway along with mask wearing.

I've just done the same.

The optimism may be cautious but I'll take it! None of us know for sure how winter will be, of course, but it really does feel as if the light at the end of the tunnel is getting brighter (and no, it's not an oncoming train!).

Definitely @GoldFrankensteinAndGrrr, just the word 'optimistic' is good to see.

Maybe it's time to split the Coronavirus board up and have some sub topics?

@GoldFrankensteinAndGrrr

WFHers in cramped flats can just use their new savings to move to lovely big houses in the countryside

I mean, I'm not surprised, but is this for real? Did she really suggest this? And people still think she's genuine and here to educate?

Yes. And yes, bafflingly.