'No reason to think Covid will become more virulent’/'It could be like common cold by Spring'

[GoldFrankensteinAndGrrr]

Some positive news from people who know what they're talking about this morning.

As far as the common cold claim is concerned, there was the caveat that we have to get through winter first (wouldn't fit on my screenshot but that's all that it said, no predictions of catastrophe or anything).

Yes I know there are still vulnerable people whom covid could affect badly (I'm one of them), but this is good news. Although I'm sure someone will be along soon to tell me it's not

Blimey. Sir John Bell Baseless Optimism Day gets earlier every year, doesn't it? It was November, last year I think.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-54878908

There's no indication so far of covid evolving to become more benign.

Which is probably why Dame Sarah Gilbert used the word "eventually" a lot.

And I'm with @NannyAndJohn on Balloux. I pay attention to people with a track record of being right. So, not Balloux.

Wow, some posters are going to have such a hole in their lives when this gets relegated to not that big a deal. What will they do with themselves? 😂

And I'm with @NannyAndJohn on Balloux. I pay attention to people with a track record of being right.

Like Imperial 🤣

Will people still get long Covid? It’s hell. I’m 18 months in and my life is unrecognisable.

If nanny and John disappears, does that mean the majority of posters on this thread will need to find someone else to bully?

Calling someone out on the ridiculous nonsense they post is not bullying.

@PrincessNutNuts

Blimey. Sir John Bell Baseless Optimism Day gets earlier every year, doesn't it? It was November, last year I think.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-54878908

There's no indication so far of covid evolving to become more benign.

Which is probably why Dame Sarah Gilbert used the word "eventually" a lot.

And I'm with @NannyAndJohn on Balloux. I pay attention to people with a track record of being right. So, not Balloux.

Why does the use of the word 'eventually' prove there's no indication of covid becoming more benign? If anything it shows that it will at some point. Even if that is eventually.

And you could be forgiven for thinking that the advent of vaccines would set things on the road to being back to normal. Then along came Alpha, then Delta, to put a spanner in the works, before the population was vaccinated. Certainly, he should have erred on the side of caution - a variations caveat, perhaps - and of course, there's always the possibility of another variant. But now the vast majority are vaccinated. As has been pointed out time and again, this year and last year are different kettles of fish. Anyone who says otherwise is being wilfully perverse.

Also, weren't you another one issuing dire warnings about how we were just a few doublings away from disaster?

And if you're with @NannyAndJohn in only paying attention to people with a track record of being right, that unfortunately means you're not able to pay attention to N&J. What a shame

@beentoldcomputersaysno

If nanny and John disappears, does that mean the majority of posters on this thread will need to find someone else to bully?

It's not bullying to call someone out for telling outright lies, and exacerbating the anxieties of those who are struggling.

We really don't have many restrictions right now Chris Whitty is reported here describing the conditions that might trigger mandated restrictions

I know we don’t have too many restrictions right now, I was responding to people saying we could expect them to be reintroduced over the winter.

And , yes, I’m well aware of the official government line on this- “if the nhs gets overwhelmed” etc.
My question was- if we already have vaccines- what makes us think this winter is going to be any different from next winter, or the winter after that, etc? Or are people just fine with living with the possibility of restrictions every winter forever from now on?

I'd be willing to bet, by this time next year, there will be no more testing and no more isolating for 10 days. We'll go into work with covid and everything. I really do believe some people enjoyed the whole pandemic and aren't ready to let it go

@beentoldcomputersaysno

If nanny and John disappears, does that mean the majority of posters on this thread will need to find someone else to bully?

@NannyAndJohn has the patience of a bloody saint.

She must know that there will be a pile on of the "wronger than wrong every single step of the way since January 2020" covid-minimising types every time she posts.

But still she persists in her mission to educate, and try to bring some reality to our little coronavirus board.

It's admirable.

I'd like Mumsnet to support the "piled on" better in general, but to be realistic, if people don't have basic manners and/or the ability to tell fact from fiction then fixing those deficiencies is a bit beyond Mumsnet's scope.

@TheKeatingFive

Wow, some posters are going to have such a hole in their lives when this gets relegated to not that big a deal. What will they do with themselves? 😂

Like ... you?

It's admirable

If N&J is so right perhaps she can give us her latest prediction for case numbers. After all her last few have been brilliantly accurate haven't they Princess. Or perhaps we have listened to her advice and are ignoring those who've been way off.

@PrincessNutNuts

Blimey. Sir John Bell Baseless Optimism Day gets earlier every year, doesn't it? It was November, last year I think.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-54878908

There's no indication so far of covid evolving to become more benign.

Which is probably why Dame Sarah Gilbert used the word "eventually" a lot.

And I'm with @NannyAndJohn on Balloux. I pay attention to people with a track record of being right. So, not Balloux.

Yep. He's Twitter's equivalent of the Good News Thread.

@beentoldcomputersaysno

If nanny and John disappears, does that mean the majority of posters on this thread will need to find someone else to bully?

I've learned to ignore it. The put-downs aren't even witty or imaginative, just your standard playground speak.

Thank you, @PrincessNutNuts.

The thing that I find most peculiar is that whenever there's a thread where the majority of participants are suggesting caution, it's always my post that ends up getting all the stick.

@PrincessNutNuts @Kokeshi123

I'd like Mumsnet to support the "piled on" better in general, but to be realistic, if people don't have basic manners and/or the ability to tell fact from fiction then fixing those deficiencies is a bit beyond Mumsnet's scope.

Going on the track record of the past two years or so, that seems unlikely. We can only report the worst posts when we see them - as you might know over-reporting can be problematic, too. I have some thoughts as to why this might be so, but 🤷🏻‍♀️

Oh piss off, Princess. N&J is the nastiest person on here and she is deliberately stirring up anxiety in people who are suffering with their mental health.

Lovely thoughts, Kokeshi - ironic too. I'm no fan of N&J myself, really, but I wouldn't agree that she is the nastiest person on here. Not saying you are, but there are several I could name before N&J. There is a core group here that gang up on others - as Princess mentions - and it is happening right now, on this thread.

@countrygirl99

If N&J is so right perhaps she can give us her latest prediction for case numbers. After all her last few have been brilliantly accurate haven't they Princess. Or perhaps we have listened to her advice and are ignoring those who've been way off.

Well exact projections are tricky at the minute as cases have been oscillating for a while now.

But the past few days or so have shown a noticeable uptick in cases - we're back to positive doubling times. I'd say the school effect is now in play, and the university effect will soon follow.

I believe it.

I work in a school.

50% of the staff and kids in the 4 classes in my area have really heavy colds (very blocked nose and sore throat).

Of those a few have confirmed covid and the rest of us just a common garden cold. We all pretty have same same symptoms and severity.

1 of the kids with confirmed covid has been hospitalised (home now) but everyone else been fine.

We commented about if we didn't have the COVID pandemic we wouldn't know there was any difference in what virus we had.

But still she persists in her mission to educate

Now repeat after me children … and copy 100 times in your exercise book.

There will be 100,00 cases a day by (insert various fag packet calculated dates)

Lockdown was great for women

All human interaction can be replaced by Zoom

It’s a bit like the Chinese communist school of ‘education’ if you ask me.

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I’ll be cool. Aibu is very lively.

There is exercising caution which is the right approach and there is believing that the only sensible approach to Covid is to lockdown as we were in April (so no hotels/theatres) etc because that is the socially responsible thing to do
There is no balance in that approach not understanding of how life is for others if they lockdown just an overwhelming belief they are right and that is dangerous

Of course the irony is that we are in for a tough winter, tougher perhaps that even Nanny thought. But not due to Covid, but to the effects that lockdowns have had, Brexit and Environmental factors.
That said hospital numbers are way down now below even the more optimistic- that should be the focus not cases.
DS is back today after a Covid outbreak in his school and is wasn’t even in the top 10 of illnesses he has had. The non Covid cold he had in May was far worse. Most of his class were the same. And he gave it to my Mum and due to the vaccines she was the same
We have now had all three main variants in the household and Delta is the most infectious but the most like a cold