Pfizer vaccine "safe" for children aged 5-11

[marieantoinehairnet]

I am sorry, but I want to see more than "promising results" in a trial of 2,267 participants before I'll be letting my young children have this vaccine.

Before anyone starts, I'm not anti vax, I've had the jab, but I really really feel uneasy about this move.

You aren't being forced to vaccinate your child. You never will be - as said, we have NO mandatory vaccines in this country and this won't become one either, not for children and not for the general public

No. Just loss of liberties if you dont.

Im double vaccinated, I dont need my kids to protect me.

Children are not usually adversely affected with covid (although of course there will always be exceptions) I think children need to be protected, it surely goes against our instincts to do something to a child which may potentially cause harm to protect older people. I loathe all the emotional blackmail being heaped on them too. “ Get it to protect your nan etc” just no! Even the teens in the news were saying it was to protect older people when they were filmed having it. There have been no long term studies in particular on the effect on the future fertility of these youngsters. Period problems after the vaccine concern me but I’ve completed my family.

Abraxan, it's not about enforced vax or not. It's about us putting Duluth into kids when we have absolutely no way of knowing it's long term effects.

@marieantoinehairnet

Abraxan, it's not about enforced vax or not. It's about us putting Duluth into kids when we have absolutely no way of knowing it's long term effects.

Putting rubbish not Duluth, god knows what Duluth is!

Ultimately this is being done solely to reduce ‘the numbers’ and reduce overall spread, NOT to provide a significant benefit to the children themselves. It’s chilling. It’s putting a burden of risk onto children to reduce risk for adults.

Thankfully most children don’t get very unwell with C19. Yes there’s always the poster that bleats about ‘long Covid’ - but if that’s the real concern here - why hasn’t there been a previous public health push to vaccinate against EBV (glandular fever)? That is known to have significant morbidity and association with CFS and post viral fatigue. But no one has ever cared about that. This isn’t about preventing long Covid, it’s about protecting adults.

[quote marieantoinehairnet]I don't get why they're looking for "emergency authorisation" authorisation to push it through, by Halloween?

It all seems far far too rushed

www.theguardian.com/society/2021/sep/20/pfizer-covid-vaccine-children-5-to-11-trial[/quote]
That’s emergency authorisation in the US, where views are quite different to ours on the risk covid has for kids.

Yes but we've rushed in on the 12-15 group despite advice to the contrary, so expect the 5-11 to follow as our puppet PM will follow the US, we aren't called their poodle for nothing

As an American born in the UK I can also tell you that the US public view certainly isn't to vaccinate kids, good Lord, they can barely get their adults to agree to vaccinate

@Scrunchies,

Did you vaccinate your child against rubella?

If so, why?

I doubt we’ll get approval here from JCVI so it may just be another travel hurdle

I agree with pp about constantly adding more

@TheReluctantPhoenix because the MMR vaccine has an established background of evidence based data behind it, and I know it is safe.

(please no one discredit this conversation by spouting crap about its link to autism)

Absolutely no way on earth is DS2 having it.

DS1 has had it (he is 16) but that was purely to allow him to travel etc. It’s actually done no good at all because as they are only giving one vaccine, he won’t be classed as vaccinated.

They have never had the Flu vaccine either.

@Luvacuppatea

I’m a bit sceptical about the whole Pfizer marketing / promotion. No doubt they have an excellent vaccine, but there seems to be a constant push to find new recipients or get more doses into the arms of those already vaccinated. Had 2 doses Pfizer? , now this might not be enough - so have another. Had 2 doses AstraZeneca? - now you need a dose of Pfizer. Aged 12-15, have a dose of Pfizer. Now they are ‘targeting’ even younger children. Some people, somewhere are getting mega-rich on all this. I’m definitely not anti-vax (double vaccinated so far) but this leaves a nasty taste in my mouth......

Exactly this, thank you. Had Pfizer myself but the constant push is quite annoying.

Bizarre that some people suffer severe anxiety over an extensively trialled and tested vaccine. Yet seem completely unbothered about the far more unknown obviously untrialled potential long term effects of Covid infection. Despite Long Covid issues including organ damage, hearing and eye problems, and erectile dysfunction having been widely reported.

Again @Tealightsandd - why vaccinate to prevent long Covid, when other post viral syndromes with equally horrible effects have been ignored/ accepted for years?

@marieantoinehairnet

Abraxan, it's not about enforced vax or not. It's about us putting Duluth into kids when we have absolutely no way of knowing it's long term effects.

So don't vaccinate then. Let others make decisions for themselves and their own families, rather than restricting their choice.

@Tealightsandd if long covid is a high risk why do you think the JVCI has come to their current conclusion?

No one is restricting anyone's choice, more fool you if you're willing to pump your kids full of chemicals unnecessarily at the whim of a bunch of potty world leaders

@marieantoinehairnet

No one is restricting anyone's choice, more fool you if you're willing to pump your kids full of chemicals unnecessarily at the whim of a bunch of potty world leaders

That's not quite true. There have been lots of attempts and media coverage of people actively trying to stop parents having a choice.

Ps you are increasingly sounding like them

We haven’t ‘rushed in’ on the 12-15s compared to the US. They rolled our vaccines for that group ages before us.

I can also tell you that the US public view certainly isn't to vaccinate kids

Perhaps depends on the people you know, but there are a lot of Americans who are terrified about their kids getting covid and absolutely desperate for a child vaccine. It’s not just my friends over there, either - look at Twitter, there are people haranguing the FDA for not approving it sooner! (FDA wanted more trial evidence I believe.)

At any rate, if it gets approved for mainstream use here it’s unlikely to suddenly be compulsory when it hasn’t been for any other age group.

[quote gibletjane]**@Tealightsandd if long covid is a high risk why do you think the JVCI has come to their current conclusion? [/quote]
Supply limitations?

Again @Tealightsandd - why vaccinate to prevent long Covid, when other post viral syndromes with equally horrible effects have been ignored/ accepted for years?

Two wrongs don't make a right. Those conditions should never have been ignored, and hopefully more help and research will be available for people affected. I don't see how it helps anyone, however, to add to the numbers suffering.

Like I said on another thread, it's important to remember that the JCVI didn't recommend against vaccinating children.

Supply limitations?

Can you explain?

That's right. The JCVI said that vaccinating children between 12 & 15 had marginal health advantages.

I really hope that the research prompted by COVID brings new treatments for lots of other illnesses. It would be a silver lining, at least.

didn't recommend against vaccinating children.

Who claimed they did?

The point is they said the below

"The assessment by the Joint Committee on Vaccination and Immunisation (JCVI) is that the health benefits from vaccination are marginally greater than the potential known harms. However, the margin of benefit is considered too small to support universal vaccination of healthy 12 to 15 year olds at this time."