Active discussions

Meet the Other Phone. A phone that grows with your child.

Meet the Other Phone.
A phone that grows with your child.

Buy now

Please or to access all these features

Talk
Covid

Mumsnet doesn't verify the qualifications of users. If you have medical concerns, please consult a healthcare professional.

Original poster

All 12-15s to be offered single dose of Pfizer, CMOs decide

569 replies

bagofconkers · 13/09/2021 14:10

news.sky.com/story/covid-19-coronavirus-vaccines-to-be-offered-to-children-aged-12-to-15-chief-medical-officers-decide-12402855

OP posts:
Thread gallery
6
Sulusu · 13/09/2021 14:10

Thank goodness, finally!

Original poster
bagofconkers · 13/09/2021 14:11

To be OFFERED, I should say!

* [Edited by MNHQ: we've nipped in and edited the title]* **

OP posts:
illuyankas · 13/09/2021 14:12

Yes, finally!

Sunnyfreezesushi · 13/09/2021 14:13

What is the point of one dose? If every other developed country is offering 2 doses?! So you give your child a vaccination and they are still not recognised as fully vaccinated by other countries for travel purposes. Nor have the vaccines been tested as a one dose treatment.

HairyFloppins · 13/09/2021 14:14

Good news but most countries don't consider children fully vaccinated with only one dose.

Hotpinkangel19 · 13/09/2021 14:14

My children won't be having it, but good news for the parents who want their children to have it.

riveted1 · 13/09/2021 14:14

@bagofconkers

To be OFFERED, I should say!
I would quickly request a thread title change OP!!

Glad they've come to this decision, frustrated it couldn't have been decided a month ago so teens who wanted to go ahead would have protection for the start of term.

riveted1 · 13/09/2021 14:15

@Sunnyfreezesushi

What is the point of one dose? If every other developed country is offering 2 doses?! So you give your child a vaccination and they are still not recognised as fully vaccinated by other countries for travel purposes. Nor have the vaccines been tested as a one dose treatment.
It offers a good amount of protection whilst minimising the (already small) risk of myocarditis
trumpisagit · 13/09/2021 14:17

My children will have the final say, but the small benefit and (very small) risk of myocarditis in boys makes me think we won't be taking up the offer.

MarshaBradyo · 13/09/2021 14:17

Good to hear

Yes re (small) risk it raises with second dose

Mind you 16 yr old has only had one not sure how it works with travel

Clutterbugsmum · 13/09/2021 14:18

@Sunnyfreezesushi

What is the point of one dose? If every other developed country is offering 2 doses?! So you give your child a vaccination and they are still not recognised as fully vaccinated by other countries for travel purposes. Nor have the vaccines been tested as a one dose treatment.
Unless you are 3 months from your 18th birthday you only get one dose.

I'm sure my 17yr old will have to have another one after she turns 18 in January.

MissDollyMix · 13/09/2021 14:18

Does a single dose offer much protection though? Everything I'd heard about delta was that a single dose is pretty much ineffective against it?

HandyGirl76 · 13/09/2021 14:20

Can someone explain the point of this. The scientist lady on radio 4 (the AZ one with the barbie doll) said that because children don't get particularly sick with Covid and can still spread it after having the jab, she couldn't see the point, and neither can I... Not an anti vaxxer btw, I got my jabs ASAP and have already booked my flu jab but don't get the rationale?

illuyankas · 13/09/2021 14:20

One dose is better than no dose, so I'm still happy about this. Since the adverse effects of vaccination is mostly after 2nd dose, maybe more parents are willing for their children to take this offer.
At least partially protected against the virus is better to prepare for the possible winter surge.

Silverswirl · 13/09/2021 14:22

We’ve all been led to believe that 1 dose against delta does next to nothing so what’s the point? Won’t help with travel either

trumpisagit · 13/09/2021 14:25

Has anyone seen any data on myocarditis in younger boys?
The quoted figure is for 12-17 year olds. I would like to know what is the risk is for the youngest end (12 year old boys).

deplorabelle · 13/09/2021 14:26

Good news but this completely unevidenced one dose strategy is ridiculous!

riveted1 · 13/09/2021 14:27

@HandyGirl76

Can someone explain the point of this. The scientist lady on radio 4 (the AZ one with the barbie doll) said that because children don't get particularly sick with Covid and can still spread it after having the jab, she couldn't see the point, and neither can I... Not an anti vaxxer btw, I got my jabs ASAP and have already booked my flu jab but don't get the rationale?
Vaccination decreases the likelihood of a child getting COVID (and if you don't have COVID you can't pass it on), and decreases the likelihood of further transmission if there are breakthrough infections.

Obviously, this is would be a much greater effect with a 2 dose regimen, but given that there's a slightly increased risk of myocarditis with both jabs, I imagine it just tipped the scales the other way.

When you're talking about big big numbers, even a modest reduction in risk should help dampen the spread of infection and hopefully reduce disruption to education.

riveted1 · 13/09/2021 14:29

@deplorabelle

Good news but this completely unevidenced one dose strategy is ridiculous!
It's better than no dose though. It's not unevidenced in that there is plenty of data in terms of infection rates in teens when they'd only had one jab from other countries, which (one would hope) has informed their decision making.
Angel2702 · 13/09/2021 14:30

I thought for delta you needed two doses as one is virtually useless hence why they changed the gap from 12 weeks to 8. It’s not like previous variants where the majority of the protection was from the first dose.

illuyankas · 13/09/2021 14:38

@trumpisagit

Has anyone seen any data on myocarditis in younger boys? The quoted figure is for 12-17 year olds. I would like to know what is the risk is for the youngest end (12 year old boys).
I don't have the data for each age, but this article states the risk of getting myocarditis from vaccine, especially only one dose is way way lower than actually getting myocarditis from infection.

www.newscientist.com/article/mg25133462-800-myocarditis-is-more-common-after-covid-19-infection-than-vaccination/

Comedycook · 13/09/2021 14:42

I thought the JCVI weren't recommending the vaccine for majority of children or have I missed something? I absolutely won't be allowing my children to have it.

TodayIsGoingToBeAGoodDay · 13/09/2021 14:45

The JVCI didn't recommend when looking at the single benefit to a child's health; they couldn't make the judgement on the wider benefits so the CMOs have. Well that's my understanding

trumpisagit · 13/09/2021 14:46

@Comedycook The JCVI said they wouldn't recommend on medical grounds alone. This is the CMOs recommendation looking at other factors (community transmission and disruption to education).
As long as its an offer we can decline, I guess that's OK...

Remoteso · 13/09/2021 14:47

Very much a pro vaxxer here but would be very hesitant to encourage my DC to get it, fortunately they're too young still for this dilemma.