All 12-15s to be offered single dose of Pfizer, CMOs decide

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news.sky.com/story/covid-19-coronavirus-vaccines-to-be-offered-to-children-aged-12-to-15-chief-medical-officers-decide-12402855

Eh?

Infection rates are actually increasing in kids. It's nothing to do with increased testing because the ONS use different data, they use random sampling.

Eh? Was to Olly.

Down according to gov.U.K. Noble…

coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

Previous post in response to your post at the top of this page - infections increasing.

Ons data is up to 3rd September…

www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/healthandsocialcare/conditionsanddiseases/articles/coronaviruscovid19latestinsights/infections#infections-by-age

Yes, Bumbley which is when schools went back and kids started piling into assemblies of hundreds of kids. Do you think that infection rates (not case rates which rely on testing rates) in kids will be going down in that scenario?

DS (14) has made as informed a decision as he can make with reputable information available to the average person, and is choosing to get the vaccine.

I am glad that he has come to the decision without having to rely on my guidance. It's ultimately up to him. I can see he has weighed it up. I have said that it's okay to change his mind either way. There's time to think about it a bit more.

Of course indexation has increased

45+ kids tested positive in ds axhool

Not one has so much as a snotty nose

Teachers are double vax

Why do we care genuinely? They are all fine

If the families I know their only concern is to now avoid any further testing since their kids will miss school for nothing

Infection

I hate to say it but guess need spell it out.

Testing is down in part because its kit mandatory.
Most close contact children at school last term had a requirement get pcr test before they could return.
Our junior school was adamant not lft they wanted pcr and so was my sons primary.
Now close contacts don't have self isolate aka kids and testing not mandatory theres less test.
If ONS shows increased infection in younger school age groups I feel that more accurate scale of infection than official tests.

I fear they done some modelling behind scenes.
There realise they can't reach herd immunity so 3 changes

The 5million outstanding adults who not taken up the jab offer please do abd do your bit.

The ones over 50 with possible waning immunity no idea if 50plus exceeds children within the population.

Let's vaccinate teens.

They require I suspect high levels of immunity against delta that they can't reach without kids.
But they incapable being honest and saying this.

I suspected sine are worried about schools and covid behind scenes.
But gavlar is incompetent basket case.

C4 news covered it tonight even school don't want be part of it.
I don't feel should be school premises .

Chris whitty maybe even ballance vaccines alone are not the silver bullet yet bojo simplistic idiot thinks its the sole solution against any other measures.

[quote HBGKC]@AlixandraTheGreat please provide some evidence to back up your assertion that "...VAERS data is primarily consisted of vexatious anti-vaxer reports, vastly outweighing any medical reports."[/quote]

It's fairly well-known that VAERS is an cesspit of anti-vaxxers - unfortunately so. It could have been a great resource. Here's an article explaining a bit more about the issues with VAERS.

www.mcgill.ca/oss/article/covid-19-critical-thinking-health/dont-fall-vaers-scare-tactic

I seen an expert on sky news saying

“That's the ethical argument. We'd be predominantly vaccinating children to save the lives of their parents and grandparents."

So no my child won’t be out at risk for others

I am happy for my children to get the vaccine to save the life of others but then I think the vaccine is safe for them and I am always first in the queue for any vaccine. My children get yearly flu jab each year too.

Not RTFT.

From my other posts you'll know I was never in favour of jabbing under-16s. DD(15) can make an informed choice despite me clinging onto my PR for another year. However, she's bounced around the internet (as teens do, very competently) and decided thst even though the risks are tiny, she'd rather not hsve it.

If she was CEV, obviously we'd try snd change her mind.

@AlixandraTheGreat I read your article. Did you? Here's a quote from it:

"Especially when it comes to new vaccines... VAERS is a valuable early warning system for many reasons. It has the ability to detect previously unrecognized reactions to a vaccine and to spot unusual increases in a particular reaction."

Again - please provide some evidence on the accusation you've now doubled-down on: "It's fairly well-known that VAERS is an cesspit of anti-vaxxers."

Whilst "cesspit of anti-vaxxers" is probably not a quoted term, it is known that VAERS has been and continues to be inaccurate and unreliable, due to its nature of unverified self reporting. It has been proven to be targeted by people thought to be anti-vaccine.

www.politifact.com/article/2021/may/03/vaers-governments-vaccine-safety-database-critical/

Although I so suspect there's nothing anyone can post or say to sway your opinion on that.

[quote HBGKC]@AlixandraTheGreat I read your article. Did you? Here's a quote from it:

"Especially when it comes to new vaccines... VAERS is a valuable early warning system for many reasons. It has the ability to detect previously unrecognized reactions to a vaccine and to spot unusual increases in a particular reaction."

Again - please provide some evidence on the accusation you've now doubled-down on: "It's fairly well-known that VAERS is an cesspit of anti-vaxxers."

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Of course I read it. Did you see this part?

"To show that VAERS listings should not be taken at face value to mean that the vaccine caused the reported event, I trawled through the database’s reports on the COVID-19 vaccines. There were many, many reports of fever and injection site reactions (to be expected), but there were also, shall we say, head-scratching reports. A woman reported a large bald spot on top of her head following vaccination. Someone simply wrote in, “Nosebleed.” I saw a report of “anal leakage.” More than one person complained of suddenly becoming impotent. Meanwhile, at the other end of the spectrum, the funniest report I saw stated, “My penis swelled to ten times its size.”

It is easy for an anti-vaccine activist—someone who is categorically opposed to vaccines and who sees themselves as a hero saving humanity from a costly mistake—to simply cherry-pick scary VAERS reports and present them as proof that a vaccine is known to cause serious harm and death, a tactic we could call “VAERS scare."

Anyone can post events to VAERS, and their motivation may not always be would you might imagine. A quick look at anti-vax Facebook groups shows this. A baby has a runny nose a week after a routine vaccination? Report to VAERS. Headache after a flu vax even though the vax was two weeks ago? VAERS. Correlation does not equal causation. The headache may have been caused by any number of things: hormones, sleep patterns, the weather, onions in the last meal eaten, too much caffeine, too little caffeine, etc. This is the essential limitation of the VAERS reporting system that anti-vaxers exploit.

I can't prove it to you any other way and have no interest in doing so.

I'm not sure why there is a part in that quote with lines through it. I would have kept them.

"I can't prove it to you any other way and have no interest in doing so."

Exactly. You've thrown around baseless accusations, and proved nothing, @AlixandraTheGreat.

NO-ONE is saying that every adverse reaction reported to VAERS is definitive proof of vaccine injury; however, many many reports to VAERS following the same jabs PROBABLY signal that something MAY be happening that is worth investigating properly. Would you not agree?

Of course adverse reactions reported are worth investigating properly. There's people who do just that, surely

@HBGKC

NO-ONE is saying that every adverse reaction reported to VAERS is definitive proof of vaccine injury; however, many many reports to VAERS following the same jabs PROBABLY signal that something MAY be happening that is worth investigating properly. Would you not agree?

I think anyone using those datasets would need to approach them with great caution. I'd certainly look at overall trends and see if there is a pattern; but as with the Covid vaccines, it's known that anti-vaxers will behave in activist ways and, as such, influence such trends. For example, VAERS adverse events for Pfizer may be higher than in other comparable countries for this reason.

FWIW, I would always agree that vaccine adverse events should be investigated. That is why it's disappointing VAERS has been hijacked.

@HBGKC

"I can't prove it to you any other way and have no interest in doing so."

Exactly. You've thrown around baseless accusations, and proved nothing, @AlixandraTheGreat.

NO-ONE is saying that every adverse reaction reported to VAERS is definitive proof of vaccine injury; however, many many reports to VAERS following the same jabs PROBABLY signal that something MAY be happening that is worth investigating properly. Would you not agree?

Eh? That's exactly how the yellow card and VAERS scheme are used.

To identify adverse events that are occurring at a high rate, and investigate whether this is higher than in a comparable cohort of unvaccinated people, and could therefore potentially be causal. It's how the link to myocarditis was identified.

Why do you think it's "not being investigated properly"? @HBGKC

I didn't say the large numbers of adverse events reported to VAERS were not being investigated properly, @ollyollyoxenfree - tho I've yet to see any evidence that they are. If you know of any, I'd be relieved to see it.

Alixandra has alleged, multiple times, whilst providing absolutely no evidence, that VAERS has been 'infiltrated/manipulated' by 'anti-vaxxers':

"It's fairly well-known that VAERS is an cesspit of anti-vaxxers."

"VAERS data is primarily consisted of vexatious anti-vaxer reports..."

"I'd certainly look at overall trends and see if there is a pattern; but as with the Covid vaccines, it's known that anti-vaxers will behave in activist ways and, as such, influence such trends."

"For example, VAERS adverse events for Pfizer may be higher than in other comparable countries for this reason."

@AlixandraTheGreat what does that last sentence even mean??