Parental Consent for Vaccine

[naughty40me]

news.sky.com/story/covid-19-12-to-15-year-olds-to-get-final-say-over-covid-jab-if-disagreement-with-parent-occurs-12401914

Not sure if link worked, never done it before.

Sajid Javid saying that parental consent for the vaccine won't be needed if the child decides to take it.

I am livid at this!

I have a 2DC 12 and 14. I really do not want them to have the vaccine.

I am going to have to sit and have a proper discussion with them.
Up to now, when it has been mentioned all my kids say is "but if we don't have the vaccine we won't be able to go to the cinema"...

I'm not anti vax. I've been double jabbed myself being over 40 with long term conditions and in the vulnerable category.

However, as the JCVI says, the benefit to healthy children in this age range is marginal.
I am worried about side effects, both short and long term.

I think vaccines should be a choice.
Those who want their children vaccinated should have that choice.
But those of us who don't should also have a choice.

I don't think my dc are capable of making a fully informed decision. They are children fgs.
They are having their heads filled with crap, making them watch Newsround every day in school for example.

I feel so strongly about this.
I honestly think they will end up making it a condition of school entry.

It's so wrong.

I know not many on here will agree but I for one am not happy about this at all.

Why is my post bizarre? You insinuate that the children will have it and parents will be skipping to the front of the queue or sending consent forms via special delivery ir tying them to pigeons. Not gonna happen.

I mean you're not really helping with your posts coming across as a tad bizzare.

I'm not "insinuating" anything - see my previous reply.

I think all parents are nervous about giving their perfectly healthy children vaccines aren't they? I remember feeling anxious holding my 3 month old and hoping she wouldn't be the one in however many 00 000s who suffers a serious adverse effect. And it wasn't as if I'd had any of the (modern) vaccines in my childhood to reassure myself that genetically maybe she wasn't at a higher risk.

I have had a few conversations with (vaccinated) friends about the covid vaccine and kids. Most are nervous because we're talking about taking responsibility for another person's health. But all have concluded that ultimately it is for their child to decide and providing the child has all the facts, we'll support what they want to do.

[quote Peteycat]@AlixandraTheGreat

You mentioned anti vaxxers in your post in a negative way. I really don't like all this brandishing, labelling and division of people based on their medical choices. How would you feel if people started calling the vaccinated names? What you are doing is wrong, it's pigeon holing people and spreading hate, and I know you apologised but please just stop saying horrible things about people who choose not to have the vaccine.[/quote]

@Peteycat I was specifically referring to people who post vexatious vaccine reactions to VAERS. They take pride in their label and boast about what they do on social media, so I wouldn't worry about their feelings being hurt. I wasn't speaking about this vaccine in particular - I did clarify this earlier, but you must have missed it.

In six months time the JCVI have said there will be updated papers that will be published in full outlining the complete stats for side effects, fatalities and whether the tissue around the heart is permanently damaged from the use of mRNA and myocarditis in children.

It was the JCVI view, not mine, that until the papers are published the final recommendation can not be made. I am quoting directly from the JCVI statement:

'However, the clinical picture is atypical and the medium to long-term (months to years) prognosis, including the possibility of persistence of tissue damage resulting from inflammation, is currently uncertain as sufficient follow-up time has not yet occurred'

And more importantly also quoted:

'acknowledges that there is considerable uncertainty regarding the magnitude of the potential harms'

In other words they do not know the magnitude or the potential harms caused by this vaccine. There is considerable uncertainty.

So why on earth would any parent feel confident to allow their child to be vaccinated is the greater question given the contents of the JCVI statement, which can be read in full below:

www.gov.uk/government/publications/jcvi-statement-september-2021-covid-19-vaccination-of-children-aged-12-to-15-years/jcvi-statement-on-covid-19-vaccination-of-children-aged-12-to-15-years-3-september-2021

@Peteycat

"12:05herecomesthsun

that was given as an example (e.g. if a child disagreed with a parent who happened to be an antivaxxer, as could happen) Peteycat not a universal epithet for all parents, hope that clarifies the point"

Nope. It doesn't, your just back tracking. Dividing people again. Even you just using the silly term 'anti vaxxers' shows me what you are about.

Nooo

There are people who go on marches protesting against vaccines etc. - "anti-vaxxers"

Such people might have a teenage child.

If that teenage child strongly disagrees with such a (rather eccentric) parent, then it would seem reasonable, if the child is competent, for the situation to be assessed & the child's views given reasonable consideration.

Conflicts of views between parent & child are expected to be rare.

Not backtracking. At all. A very reasonable sort of example, briefly given, in quite a dispassionate sort of post.

Hope that helps

When you read the full statement, and fully understand the meaning and the uncertainty around these vaccines and children, you can then see very clearly why parents may very well decide to wait to inject their 'perfectly healthy' children with a vaccine that seems shrouded in uncertainty, not unreasonably most parent wish to have confidence that the vaccine will not be harmful before embarking on convincing their child.
And whilst I don't doubt you have some friends that are very happy to vaccinate, it might also be the case that given your very vocal enthusiasm sweetpea that many may not wish to share with you their true preferences with you for fear of being labelling anti vax or such like. Not unreasonably.

I agree it looks like the parent consent will be mandatory and fixed in each school, as we have been emailed as well.

So I don't understand the problem, or do you not trust your child's school to stick to this?

You are being labelled 'eccentric' now Petey for not wishing to vaccinate your child with a vaccine that in the JCVI's view should not be used currently. How very eccentric of you to care for your own child's health!!

I have a problem with the vaccine being rolled out against the recommendation of the JCVI sweetpea full stop.

No, I haven't actually, it's not me who mentions the subject first. I couldn't give a toss who chooses to vaccinate and who doesn't whether adult or child. I don't even really get wound-up by the hardcore anti-vaxxers provided that it doesn't interfere with my ability to protect myself or others who wish to do the same. I only ever get involved in vax arguments on here, in RL we have far more interesting things to talk about!

You sound pretty invested to me sweetpea

May I just say that if the JCVI had supported the use of this vaccine for younger teens I would revise my view accordingly, as I trust them implicitly. However they have not, and from their statement they seem a long way off from recommending this vaccine to any child that is not CEV.
Just because Chris Whitty bows to government pressure does not make it right to roll out the vaccine without more certainty and a clearer picture about the long term harm.

To me, it is unacceptable to put children at risk, with such uncertainty.

@zenthoughtsonlythanks

You are being labelled 'eccentric' now Petey for not wishing to vaccinate your child with a vaccine that in the JCVI's view should not be used currently. How very eccentric of you to care for your own child's health!!

No, I meant these people are eccentric - when I wrote "antivaxer", I meant antivaxxer (has 2 xs apparently)

I've already explained this

I have a problem with the vaccine being rolled out against the recommendation of the JCVI sweetpea full stop.

And if the medical factors are the only things that matter to you you are perfectly entitled to not have your child vaccinated.

For a lot of us, the medical issues are a) very small risks compared to covid b) one of many issues to be considered, and I'm glad that the CMOs will be doing just that.

I struggle to understand how any parent of a teenager on here can just dismiss things like mental health problems.

While we are still waiting for vaccine for 12+, world is moving forward.

www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/biontech-seek-approval-soon-vaccine-5-11-year-olds-spiegel-2021-09-10/

You sound pretty invested to me sweetpea

I am. In getting MY child vaccinated. Sorry but I couldn't give a toss what you do about yours.

WTF have the Foo Fighters got to do with vaccination?! I thought Dave Grohl was generally considered an all round lovely person?

@Sweetpeasaremadeforbees

You sound pretty invested to me sweetpea

I am. In getting MY child vaccinated. Sorry but I couldn't give a toss what you do about yours.

Ha - lovely!

I'd like to say that, although obviously my own children are most important to me personally, I absolutely "give a toss" that everyone else's children are OK. I hope we all get to choose freely and uncoerced, based on accurate and up to date info, and I hope everyone's children are as healthy as they can possibly be

@Sweetpeasaremadeforbees

WTF have the Foo Fighters got to do with vaccination?! I thought Dave Grohl was generally considered an all round lovely person?

Dunno, it's a generic pic of a very eccentric anti-vaxxer (feeling a bit that we've done this one now )

"12:31zenthoughtsonlythanks

You are being labelled 'eccentric' now Petey for not wishing to vaccinate your child with a vaccine that in the JCVI's view should not be used currently. How very eccentric of you to care for your own child's health!! grin"

I know. Thank you zen.

Just googled it and apparently Grohl gets targeted by the antivaxxers (no, I don't know why )

@Peteycat

"12:31zenthoughtsonlythanks

You are being labelled 'eccentric' now Petey for not wishing to vaccinate your child with a vaccine that in the JCVI's view should not be used currently. How very eccentric of you to care for your own child's health!! grin"

I know. Thank you zen.

lol lol

I'd like to say that, although obviously my own children are most important to me personally, I absolutely "give a toss" that everyone else's children are OK. I hope we all get to choose freely and uncoerced, based on accurate and up to date info, and I hope everyone's children are as healthy as they can possibly be

Well I don't want anyone's child to be ill, but that isn't what I said. I said I don't give a toss what other people do about their child. Presumably people who aren't going to vaccinate their children believe they're keeping them safe, who am I to question that? None of my business.

"2:59Squleamish

Sweetpeasaremadeforbees

You sound pretty invested to me sweetpea

I am. In getting MY child vaccinated. Sorry but I couldn't give a toss what you do about yours.

Ha - lovely!

I'd like to say that, although obviously my own children are most important to me personally, I absolutely "give a toss" that everyone else's children are OK. I hope we all get to choose freely and uncoerced, based on accurate and up to date info, and I hope everyone's children are as healthy as they can possibly be"

Exactly. The selfish attitude of some.

What's funny Herecomesthesun? Are you a troll?