Will there be another lockdown

[Doublethecars]

In November time?

@woodfort

Can’t they just start the booster programme already? Why the delay?

People won’t tolerate another lockdown unless it looks like the government is doing everything it can. I also can’t see the point honestly.. people will socialise in their own homes, just let them socialise in pubs and restaurants and bring some money into the economy.

The reason does make sense - it’s based on possible future need re new variant

Re lockdown we have yet had a firebreak without furlough in place already iirc

I suppose it could be put in for two weeks, whether it does much with delta is another thing. Looking at Aus numbers in lockdown

@MarshaBradyo I really hope they do booster - just so we've done everything we can to avoid another lockdown.

If we don't booster or jab kids and we end up in lockdown again, it will be devastating.

Sounds like the proposed lockdown is really only going to be an extended school holiday. I don’t think it will be lockdowns like we have seen before.

@PicsInRed

inews.co.uk/news/covid-lockdown-government-plans-october-firebreak-restrictions-hospital-admissions-1185533

Christ almighty, vaccinate the fucking children!

What is wrong with this government.

This has nothing to do with children.

It’s the adults. Don’t forget you can still transmit even while double vaxxed. Some indication about waning immunity too, but hope that’s not really a thing. Naught to do with kids

@southeastdweller if you don’t have friends or family, as many people don’t, not being about to got to the shops or have a coffee is “boofuckinghoo”. This cuts more than one way, and there is no need to be so unpleasant about it.

I'd think it'd be quite the opposite - the threat of another Lockdown would surely entice the vaccine-shy to go out and get it done

When has a threatened lockdown not happened though? Nothing short of vaccines stops this thing, but people won’t want to get jabbed every 6 months either.

@Lostinacloud

Wake up people! All part of the propaganda plan to make the government’s inevitable upcoming overruling of the country’s expert committee on vaccinations and immunisations acceptable and lead parents into consenting to their 12-15 year olds being vaccinated. They will spin the prospect of a lockdown and possible further school closures caused by an inevitable rise in cases now the kids have gone back and will probably chuck in a few studies that have suddenly come to light after 18 months that show 12-15 year olds are most likely to get long covid or heart issues from actual covid and then we will all gladly accept this unprecedented overruling and ask no more questions. I’m sure we’ll all soon learn that cases are rising the most in the 12-18 age group too. But fear not, the JVCI’s team of medical expert and researchers decision will be overruled in an unprecedented and frankly quite scary move by the government and vaccinations will be opened to teens. It will be the “saviour” of the NHS….again!! It’s not enough that practically every adult is vaccinated and it’s estimated that over 50% of teens have antibodies already. And don’t worry about the fact that despite these huge vaccination and immunity figures, covid cases are still rising and so it seems the vaccines have not been magic solution they were touted as so why will vaccinating teens help?

Please, if this happens can more people push back and not accept it anymore? No more lockdowns, school closures or disruptions, limits on travel or pointless covid passports. We really do need more of us to put our hands up and say - Enough. Thanks for all your advice and guidance government, I will now make my own decisions about the health of myself and my friends and family and you can go back to sorting out the multiple National problems we now all face.

Very well said

I think as per usual, the government will bend to the will of whomever shouts the loudest.

If there isn’t enough public support for another lockdown there won’t be another one.

We really do need more of us to put our hands up and say - Enough. Thanks for all your advice and guidance government, I will now make my own decisions about the health of myself and my friends and family

I think if we can collectively keep rates low through individual caution, it will be a lot easier for us to come through without a further lockdown.

If infection rates are high and hospitalisations and deaths rise, it will be harder to do that.

@Explosivefarts

Sounds like the proposed lockdown is really only going to be an extended school holiday. I don’t think it will be lockdowns like we have seen before.

While I don't see an October firebreak being like an actual lockdown, I don't trust that it would only be an extra week of school closures either. There's a realistic chance it would involve some restrictions because so many people move around and travel during school holidays. And an extra week off if anything might make that more tempting.

I think some people are misunderstanding the role of the JCVI. They are not the licensing body who ensure a product is safe for use. They are an advisory body making recommendations on what should be included on the vaccine schedule on the NHS. They look at cost effectiveness. Example chicken pox vaccine. It has a product license which means it meets safety standards however it’s not recommended by JCVI for routine vaccination. They look at cost effectiveness, clearly other countries experts disagree with that decision as they do give CP routinely. However with CP you can pay for it but because of the commitment to provide covid vacc free that isn’t an option. So it effectively means that people are barred from obtaining a licensed product. No vaccine is obligatory.
If there are safety issues it’s the product license that is affected, some covid vaccines are licensed in over 12s, it’s not a safety issue.

@notgotthehelp
it's been more than 18 months and we have vaccines. So if there are still on the cards then that's it forever - constant threat over us each winter

I'm only reporting what I read last year because some people were doubting anyone other than MN had proposed the concept of multiple lockdowns (although in actual fact I dont know if the article itself mentioned lockdowns - it mentioned "restrictions" which is a range of measures as well as a full lockdown)

2-week ‘circuit breakers’ don’t exactly have a great success record either. Wales did one last year, stuck to the 2 weeks, saw cases go rocketing straight back up again afterwards, ended up with some of the highest rates in the UK. Scotland did one but waited for cases to really get under control before lifting it, and it stayed in place for 9 months - and then Scotland had lower population immunity than everywhere else so was even worse hit by the delta wave.

It might help people feel like the government is Doing Something but that’s not worth much unless it actually achieves something.

I watched a lot of the early tv conferences, and the Sage members (Whitty, Valance et al) were always very open and matter of fact about the probability of a long period of rolling lockdowns based on the Imperial modelling. They also repeatedly cautioned that it would be a long road with any vaccine not being an immediate magic bullet, and predicted 2+ years of disruption with winter restrictions possibly carrying on for a few years.

It might be that lots of people didn’t quite take this in at the time, or couldn’t quite process it psychologically, or have forgotten it when vaccines came along, or whatever, but the scientists and medics absolutely were open and factual about this from the start. (Tory politicians may have been giving other impressions, but the long slog of getting through the pandemic was emphasised by Whitty etc. from the very outset, to be fair, and I’m not his biggest fan….)

…And remember that they were cautioning at the start that any vaccine was likely at least 18 months away and would not be an immediate solution in any case. The vaccine development was much faster in the end, but it was always emphasised that even with a vaccine it would be a long rollout and possible future variants popping up to derail it too.

@Lostinacloud

Doesn’t brother me in the slightest that some posters have descended into calling me a nutter and congratulating themselves for picking one out! That is after all what we have been asked to think of anybody questioning the pandemic strategy.

It remains incomprehensible to me that some people would still call for lockdowns, despite huge evidence that they do more harm than good, and who think that vaccinating teens is the answer. You only have to glance at Israel to see the absolute madness that lies ahead if we continue to follow this path and so perhaps we need more “nutters” to stop and free think before we are still arguing about whether there will be a lockdown in October 2025.

Absolutely agree. One of the casualties of the covid pandemic has been open dialogue and discussion on the merits or otherwise of the governments strategy.

It’s quite possible to disagree with the government’s strategy and indeed think they’ve done it pretty poorly and could certainly have done it much better — but still also think that there were and are not a great number of other options. People have been modelling pandemic strategies for decades now and there is no magic solution that fixes everything without restrictions or inconveniences.

I agree @irresistibleoverwhelm the starting point for how well the Government has done cannot be a belief that if only we had done this we would have been able to avoid all of this completely (usually citing New Zealand). Because we could never have done so.

If I thought a circuit break would be a good way of handling this I would be all for it. But it isnt. We need to stop thinking of lockdowns with Delta in particular as being effective and actually could just prove to be messy, hard to figure out and actually cause as much harm as good

They can fuck the fuck off. No compliance here. Fucked that off after 1st one. Problem is we have been suckered into this never ending merry go round and set a precedent.

Lockdown/fire breaker ( who the fuck even coined that fucking stupid name for it) wont work. Enough is enough. Time we all said no. Should be left to individuals to assess their own risk. Bojo and co can fuck off.
@Lostinacloud well said btw.

This has nothing to do with children.

It's considered that schools going back will increase transmission to an unacceptable degree, so yes it does have everything to do with children. Vaccination reduces transmission therefore vaccinating school age children will reduce community spread when schools are in (which is precisely why uni students and 16/17s are being vaccinated).

Unvaccinated adults will be "captured" and their covid spread limited by vaccine passporting.

At the very least, it would be nice to have the parental option to vaccinate, once the vaccine is approved for each age group.

@PopcornMuncher

I don't think so. But I think there will be some restrictions. We can't afford to shut down the country again.

There'll be restrictions, question is what?

Work from home, masks on public transport, more mitigation in schools, online learning at universities etc could allow other things to stay open.

Otherwise it's back to decimating hospitality again.

Work from home, masks on public transport, more mitigation in schools, online learning at universities etc could allow other things to stay open.

Hello from Scotland, where we have all those things and still have one of the highest covid rates on the planet.

It might slow down spread enough to reduce the load on hospitals but with delta even that seems far from certain.

Hello from Scotland, where we have all those things and still have one of the highest covid rates on the planet.

Since the schools have been back (so England about to explode again) therefore not enough mitigation in place to stop the spread in schools.

@GoldenOmber

Work from home, masks on public transport, more mitigation in schools, online learning at universities etc could allow other things to stay open.

Hello from Scotland, where we have all those things and still have one of the highest covid rates on the planet.

It might slow down spread enough to reduce the load on hospitals but with delta even that seems far from certain.

Yeah, I think people are deluding themselves if they think that all these 'minor mitigations' - by which they usually mean minor for them - are some sort of insurance policy.

@GoldenOmber

Work from home, masks on public transport, more mitigation in schools, online learning at universities etc could allow other things to stay open.

Hello from Scotland, where we have all those things and still have one of the highest covid rates on the planet.

It might slow down spread enough to reduce the load on hospitals but with delta even that seems far from certain.

Yeah none of this NPI stuff worked before, why would it start working now?

Only vaxxing at-risk groups will help, everything else is very limited in effectiveness