Will there be another lockdown

[Doublethecars]

In November time?

@irresistibleoverwhelm

That’s what we did in previous lockdowns and here we are (almost) again. Something is clearly very wrong.

Yes, what’s wrong is that we’re in a pandemic. There is no way to make it go away, only mitigate the effects. I think you have drastically misunderstood what the restrictions and lockdowns were for.

No I haven’t, what I’m saying is that we cannot keep having these restrictions as the default option. You may be happy wearing a mask etc but I’m not, so won’t ever be again.

@TheKeatingFive

What is a ‘sensible full’ lockdown please?

And what happens when you lift it? Same as any other lockdown I presume.

I honestly think quite a few people here would be happy for it not to lift.

@southeastdweller as long as you're happy eh?
God forbid you or anybody else might consider the welfare of others. Masks are an easy win and yet your happiness trumps that. Well done you

[quote DoubleShotEspresso]@southeastdweller as long as you're happy eh?
God forbid you or anybody else might consider the welfare of others. Masks are an easy win and yet your happiness trumps that. Well done you[/quote]
What prolonged sacrifices do you make in your life for the welfare of strangers? Can you give an example of when you've put complete strangers' alleged welfare above your own happiness, and that of your family?

[quote DoubleShotEspresso]@southeastdweller as long as you're happy eh?
God forbid you or anybody else might consider the welfare of others. Masks are an easy win and yet your happiness trumps that. Well done you[/quote]
How’s that going in Scotland?

@IcedPurple

So what's your scientifically supported logical alternative please? Because from where I'm sitting today current measures are the very definition of piss poor

Accept that most of us are going to get it sooner or later, perhaps vaccinate children, 3rd shot for some categories, keep an eye on hospitalisations and possibly introduce limited restrictions, but only if and when absolutely neccessary.

So basically continuuecin this hopeless circle of doing fuck all whilst the obvious impacts the most vulnerable and put in place knee jerk late measures when it all gets out of hand again? Superb

How’s that going in Scotland?

well, indeed. Current highest covid rates in Europe, possibly anywhere else as well.

I don’t think masks are entirely useless, but with delta and current case levels it feels a bit like when you’re in active late-stage labour and the midwife suggests taking two paracetamol.

Or as the late great Sean Lock said

‘It’s a bit like turning up to an earthquake zone with a dustpan and brush’

Although he was talking about the futility of recycling jam jars in relation to climate change

:)

So basically continuuecin this hopeless circle of doing fuck all whilst the obvious impacts the most vulnerable and put in place knee jerk late measures when it all gets out of hand again? Superb

Did you read my post?

I'm not advocating doing 'fuck all'. I'm saying continue with the vaccination programme, possibly to children and 3rd shots to some people, and keep an eye on hospitalisations.

That's not 'fuck all', although honestly I'm not sure you're up for an actual discussion here.

@TheKeatingFive

What is a ‘sensible full’ lockdown please?

And what happens when you lift it? Same as any other lockdown I presume.

I'd also like to know the answer to this. The three I've lived through so far seemed very FULL to me.

Perhaps I wasnt being sensible enough as I continued to put milk in my coffee instead of cheese, and I went out for 61 minutes of daily exercise (occasionally I even went out more than once!!!!!)

Speaking of the most vulnerable, none of the lockdown advocates on this thread have shown any evidence of giving a fuck about the millions of people experiencing abuse from someone they live with and what impact spending more time trapped at home will have. Yet you have the abject gall to moralise?!

The fact is that vulnerable people are not a monolith and they have different, sometimes competing interests. What's better for an ECV person is potentially fatal for an abused child, and vice versa. Obviously people are going to be more concerned for their own loved ones. That's completely normal and understandable, human selfishness being what it is. But on a societal level, we need to understand that there's no one course of action that allows us to protect the vulnerable now.

Who knows!

More likely if they continue to refuse to vaccinate teens I’d have thought

And third shots to those who need it, I agree.

At the same time we do need to share vaccines internationally or more variants will appear (putting aside moral reasons for a minute). So we do have to manufacture more vaccine I guess!

It’s seriously daft and hyperbolic to call anyone a “lockdown advocate” or say they must enjoy wearing a mask.

Last year people were fuming because we didn’t have the half term “circuit breaker” and as a result we ended up in three months of lockdown after Christmas - basically because a huge number of people did as they pleased in the run-up to Christmas. And we ended up locked down afterwards as a result.

The situation is different now with vaccines, but the risk of healthcare collapse is still there. If things are really bad in December, how many people here are happy for their elderly mum to wait seven hours for an ambulance after a fall and die on a trolley in a corridor, because no-one would ever countenance wearing a mask again? Or their kid to die after a road traffic accident purely because no ITU beds were available?

I don’t like lockdown, but the crisis period of the pandemic is not over yet; and the risks/damages and benefits of restrictions are still extremely finely balanced and too close to call.

NO!

Last year people were fuming because we didn’t have the half term “circuit breaker” and as a result we ended up in three months of lockdown after Christmas

Unless you’re in Wales, where they did have a half-term circuit breaker and still ended up in months of lockdown after Christmas. Or Scotland, where the ‘circuit breaker’ was meant to last 16 days and ended up lasting from October to May.

Anyone who thinks we ended up in lockdown because we didn't have a circuit breaker in October 2020 has evidently not heard of Wales.

how many people here are happy for their elderly mum to wait seven hours for an ambulance after a fall and die on a trolley in a corridor

In fairness, something very similar happened to my FIL 4 years ago, so I find this trust that the HS would always be there to save people pretty naive.

Masks may be achieving fuck all. I certainly don’t think there’s clear evidence to support them, though on a personal level I don’t mind wearing them

Ultimately a HS that only functions with periodic lockdowns isn’t got for purpose and the first port of call should be addressing that. Obviously that takes time, but it should have started in March 2020 (or indeed long before).

Propping it up with costly lockdowns is not viable and masks the real issue while creating further problems.

Last year people were fuming because we didn’t have the half term “circuit breaker” and as a result we ended up in three months of lockdown after Christmas

How much did it help Wales?

I’m surprised some still want these circuit break lockdowns given above and even more so that delta is now prevalent

If you are in favour of a ‘circuit breaker’ or reintroducing some restrictions then really you should calling for a full lockdown - because unless things are closed and restrictions made compulsory then most people are not going to comply in future.

@FallingRussetLeaves

Anyone who thinks we ended up in lockdown because we didn't have a circuit breaker in October 2020 has evidently not heard of Wales.

And anyone who thinks masks are some kind of magical shield has evidently not heard of Scotland.

Public sentiment last year was all “clap for our wonderful NHS carers!” and judging by the thread, this year the mood is “fuck the NHS, I’m never wearing a mask again” 😂

It’s just like the Great British Blitz Spirit all over again 😂👍

Ultimately a HS that only functions with periodic lockdowns isn’t got for purpose and the first port of call should be addressing that. Obviously that takes time, but it should have started in March 2020 (or indeed long before).

Propping it up with costly lockdowns is not viable and masks the real issue while creating further problems.

Yep.

So while I wouldn't be happy if a loved one of mine was denied suitable healthcare because of not locking down this year, I'd be no less unhappy if they were denied it next year, or the year after, or the year after that, due to us using regular winter lockdowns to keep the NHS from being overwhelmed as a mechanism to kick the can even further down the road.

@irresistibleoverwhelm

Public sentiment last year was all “clap for our wonderful NHS carers!” and judging by the thread, this year the mood is “fuck the NHS, I’m never wearing a mask again” 😂

It’s just like the Great British Blitz Spirit all over again 😂👍

Can I ask for your evidence regarding the amazing NHS saving power of masks?