Will there be another lockdown

[Doublethecars]

In November time?

and then I think about how our version of that is basically sitting on the sofa watching Netflix, not getting the online shopping deliveries I want and not being able to see auntie Mabel for Christmas

"Our" version?

I think you mean YOUR version.

You're obviously one of the many on MN for whom lockdown has jusr been about sitting at home watching Netflix while others work hard to bring your Ocado deliveries to you. If, 19 months on, you think that's been the case for everyone, then nothing I can say will change your mind and I won't waste energy trying.

I wish people would just come out and say what they actually think. "I don't think anyone I care about is at risk from this virus and I am cool with other people dying"

Seriously. We can't keep doing this. We just can't.
I've run out of fucks so long ago now.

@JesusIsAnyNameFree same could be said for people advocating restrictions or casually suggesting lockdowns - usually means ' I wfh and lockdown does not effect me or destroy my livelihood therefore I am ok with it'

@JesusIsAnyNameFree

I wish people would just come out and say what they actually think. "I don't think anyone I care about is at risk from this virus and I am cool with other people dying".

ah yes, the very constructive “anyone who disagrees with me is a murderous sociopath” approach to constructive discussion, that’ll help.

@JesusIsAnyNameFree

I wish people would just come out and say what they actually think. "I don't think anyone I care about is at risk from this virus and I am cool with other people dying".

I've always found it funny how the "cool crowd" think that Covid is something that only exists outside their social circles.

basically sitting on the sofa watching Netflix, not getting the online shopping deliveries I want and not being able to see auntie Mabel for Christmas

That is really not what lockdown has been like for a huge number of people. Glad you had a nice time with Netflix though, sounds fun!

I wish people would just come out and say what they actually think. "I don't think anyone I care about is at risk from this virus and I am cool with other people dying"

Restrictions or lockdowns have never been about saving lives. It's to keep the hospitals going. That's all well and good but politicians give less of a fuck about people dying than probably most here. What was it Boris said a year ago? Let the bodies pile high in their thousands. Of course he had to backtrack months later when the hospitals were fucked, 60,000 deaths later.

I am cool with other people dying

But we are cool with other people dying. From cancer, from RTAs, from heart disease, from flu. And yes we could do a huge amount more to prevent deaths from those causes, but ultimately those measures would have huge impacts on people’s quality of life and people do end up dying from something.

It’s only for covid that there’s an expectation to pull out all the stops to prevent deaths.

basically sitting on the sofa watching Netflix, not getting the online shopping deliveries I want and not being able to see auntie Mabel for Christmas

It’s a shitty tactic to minimise the impact of lockdowns like this.

And you wonder why people aren’t queuing up to do it again, when this is how it’s diminished?

I certainly didn’t - I was working and homeschooling throughout and am absolutely burnt out. Disconnected the TV at the start of the pandemic and locked it in the car.

My life wouldn’t have been improved by major social collapse though. And I still wasn’t getting gang raped by soldiers, drinking contaminated water, going hungry, having to kill anyone or having to flee war, occupation or famine though, so that’s a major plus compared to lots of global crises I think 👍

@GoldenOmber

No, it won't go away, but cases will be lower but cases will be lower and the level of crisis the NHS is in will be less.

Will they actually to any useful degree, though? It seems that delta is transmissible enough that relatively minor restrictions like this really don’t do much to reduce or slow cases down.

England currently has just over 300 cases per 100k population. Scotland - with masks, with mitigations in schools, with WFH still - has nearly 800.

Delta is just really effective at finding all the susceptible people it can, and it will clearly take more than masks and WFH to turn that around before it’s gone through enough of them that it runs out of new people to infect.

In large part due to Scotland doing the same as England and not requiring people to stay home when they have positive cases at home. Their schools have been back for weeks. We are headed for the same sort of situation as Scotland now the schools will be fully open again after this week.

@TheKeatingFive

basically sitting on the sofa watching Netflix, not getting the online shopping deliveries I want and not being able to see auntie Mabel for Christmas

It’s a shitty tactic to minimise the impact of lockdowns like this.

And you wonder why people aren’t queuing up to do it again, when this is how it’s diminished?

Yeah the whole 'all you're being asked to do is sit at home and watch Netflix' line became old round about last April.

Clearly some here are nostalgic for those times, and hate the fact that they may not get to curtain twitch and call perfectly reasonable people 'selfish' for too much longer.

as times of historical strife go, it’s not exactly that bad, and we could all do with a bit of perspective to be honest.

What perspective? People have been getting on with their lives. Whether working from home, furloughed or going out to work every day.

To be honest two weeks after the pictures coming from Afghanistan, reading stuff here complaining about lockdowns and mask wearing as not being able to go to pubs and the hairdresser is eye-popping. Yes lockdown is shit but a lot of people honestly need a little perspective.

Their schools have been back for weeks.

Again, the spike in cases in Scotland started before schools returned and began in age groups who don’t attend school. It’s really not all down to schools.

I do think household isolation for positive cases would probably still be a good idea, or at least maybe more than just a one-off PCR, but I don’t believe it would be enough to have made a spike like the one we’ve got have turned into a fall instead.

Yes lockdown is shit but a lot of people honestly need a little perspective.

Do you shut down all conversations about people having a tough time with ‘at least you’re not in Afghanistan’?

@irresistibleoverwhelm

To be honest two weeks after the pictures coming from Afghanistan, reading stuff here complaining about lockdowns and mask wearing as not being able to go to pubs and the hairdresser is eye-popping. Yes lockdown is shit but a lot of people honestly need a little perspective.

Perhaps your eyes would un-pop if you read about the increase in child abuse cases after lockdowns? The impact on vulnerable people in care homes, living and dying isolated from loved ones and not understanding why? Increased poverty with children going hungry? No? Just pubs and hairdressers that registered with you?

@irresistibleoverwhelm clearly what's happening there is awful but to say people can't complain or dislike their lives being restricted is almost toxic positivity.

Can you never be sad because someone else will always be worse off?

@irresistibleoverwhelm

To be honest two weeks after the pictures coming from Afghanistan, reading stuff here complaining about lockdowns and mask wearing as not being able to go to pubs and the hairdresser is eye-popping. Yes lockdown is shit but a lot of people honestly need a little perspective.

Well, if you want to take that as your point of comparison, then having an overwhelmed NHS isn't such a bad thing either, relatively speaking.

Is this your response every time something bad happens? Because you can always find people who are worse off, often much worse off.

And if you think lockdown has just been about not being able to go to the pub or hairdresser then your life is obviously extremely privileged, so not sure you get to finger wag at others.

I really don't care what you say regarding the whole not caring if strangers die. After a year and a half of this discussion, it's clear that that is what it boils down to. You don't fear for you or someone you love in the way people with vulnerable loved ones do, so why should you have to skip family brunch every Sunday or drinks with the girls?🤷‍♀️

@JesusIsAnyNameFree

I really don't care what you say regarding the whole not caring if strangers die. After a year and a half of this discussion, it's clear that that is what it boils down to. You don't fear for you or someone you love in the way people with vulnerable loved ones do, so why should you have to skip family brunch every Sunday or drinks with the girls?🤷‍♀️

On the flip side do you care about the harms from lockdowns?

It sounds like they don’t register as you’ve just mentioned above examples of brunch etc

Family brunch, drinks with the girls, pubs and hairdressers, all you’re being asked to do is sit on the couch and watch Netflix…

It becomes increasingly clear that many people have no clue at all of life outside their own lovely little bubbles. Perhaps Ocado could deliver you a sense of perspective?

We thought there wasn't the appetite for another lockdown after the first one, and again more strongly after the second one.

But then the third one came in, it was after people had been calling for it because of the surge in cases starting in Devember.

We none of us have a crystal ball that will tell us what the 'bumpy' autumn (predicted by many, including the scientific advisers) will look like.

There are more people in hospital with covid now than there were in March. And that's before the winter virus season, which won't be suppressed as it was last year by SD to lockdown, and goodness only knows how you make a good prediction for which strains to include in a flu jab when flu has not been circulating and no one knows which are rising. Also, as far fewer DC than usual had RSV last year, the numbers for that may well be high (2 years worth in one?)

I think it could still be an exceptionally tough winter for NHS - coming after a pretty exhausting 18mths for the staff. I hope it doesn't come to that, but if the numbers don't start moving downwards soon, I think there may have to be a return to SD for the winter. I really hope that we don't need more than that (but an unlucky, immunity-escaping new variant could lead to it, as could a new version that makes DC more ill)

MN is such a middle class bubble sometimes.