If the government were honest about the next 4 months

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They'd say that children are probably going to catch covid, there is nothing to stop this happening. Lots of families will probably catch it off their children, school staff will probably catch it off children too.

Education is going to be disrupted again if the above happens. No way around it. But it could be 'over' by November when the bad weather kicks in and older folk start getting ill as per usual circumstances. At that point booster vaccs could start.

It's definitely 'an approach', but not telling people that this is the plan is unfair. Do you think people have realised this yet? Or are the Emperor's new clothes still in view?

@Peteycat

Herecomesthesun, your post is indeed insulting. People behaved more intelligently. Oh dear, so you seem to think you are superior. Well I'm here to tell you that you are not. There are other factors in this pandemic to consider. I won't list them here as it gets tiresome.

Most people have had enough and like I say to everyone, if you want restrictions go away and have them. Stop virtue signalling about how fabulous and unselfish you are.

I just think it would be kinda nice to avoid another lockdown.

Union comment:

National Education Union on schools reopening: "Next to nothing has been done to prepare for the possibility of large numbers of cases"... "Contracts have not even been assigned" to fulfill the govt announcement on Co2 monitors.

I wonder if many work places have CO2 monitors? We have them in a couple of meeting rooms with no windows, but not in classrooms. I'm lucky in that my classroom has windows on three sides, so there is a through flow of air. We are also down the end of a corridor, so don't really mix with the rest of the school much. Hmm.. actually, the two classrooms down my end of the school were the only bubbles not to go home at all over the last 18 months. Only just realised that.

@Peteycat

Given you posted very early in this thread that you were self-appointed spokesperson of the people this post is practically dripping in hypocrisy.

You only speak for yourself.

Well someone has to challenge the crap on here. Honestly people are tired of the nonsense.

Lol, still talking like you’re ordained to speak on behalf of swathes of people yet here you are calling out other people for being superior!

You still haven’t explained why an annual flu jab is any different to an annual covid jab btw. I’m genuinely interested in your thinking behind that.

@Peteycat

Er I seem to remember lots of things being said, like jab the older generation, but then it trickled and trickled down the generations. Please don't say that wasn't said it was. Now look, they want to vaccinate healthy children.

So just vaccinate everyone then! 🤷🏻‍♀️🤷🏻‍♀️🤷🏻‍♀️

You see, vaccination is generally a good thing that protects people from getting ill.

Of course it is good to have checks and counter checks in place, and to have some discussion about the best way to go forward.

But opening up vaccination to the most vulnerable groups and then to the rest of society is, well, great (see the BBC article linked to below). The advantages appear to far outweigh the carefully consider risks .

considered, sorry

Active management sounds good, must be some practical policies to help make things safer on the whole. I like the better ventilation idea, in schools and public buildings. I worked in a 60’s concrete council office (pre Covid) and the ventilation was awful, it was a large open plan office with several teams sharing together (rather than smaller divided office rooms) and we constantly got sick off eachother, all the time. Perhaps practical policies which better promote the health of people in the workplace, like better ventilation, would be no bad thing.

Was thinking the other day about when they discovered hand washing a couple hundred years ago and that it had a huge impact on reducing infections (I think it was one Dr who made the link in a hospital) and this led to a policy of hand washing in hospitals which saved countless lives. Maybe if people did more of this day to day then infections of all kinds might spread less (not sure how it applies for air bourne though…)

I am in Scotland and we are two weeks into the school term. My DD managed 4 days back to school before testing positive. There are now 6 children off with covid in a class of 25. Because other children in a class are no longer required to isolate (they are no longer considered close contacts) it is spreading like wildfire. The class cannot be sent home because this is no longer guidance. In this situation it is going to spread to children, parents and teachers far more quickly than before when the whole class would have been made to isolate.

So I agree that this is basically now the government's plan - they just aren't admitting it.

If it is the government's plan (I hope it is) I agree with it wholeheartedly.

I'm stunned I haven't caught it yet, fully expect to catch it any day, as I'm sure we'll all catch it multiple times from now on, as per other endemic viruses.

The government being honest. More chance that pigs will fly.

The BBC are reporting on it now:

www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-58357021

And this is obviously an issue for the NHS.

We should have been vaccinating secondary age.

We should have started on boosters for those first vaccinated before now.

We should have kept the isolation rules for household members at the very least. Glad health settings are sticking with these rules at least.

Who knows what the next variant will throw up once the September mixing gets underway?

I'm not confident at all. Waiting to be told my Mum's carehome will be shutting up for visitors.

Wow @botanics. No sign of public health being consulted?

@JanglyBeads - not to my knowledge. Another child tested positive this afternoon. Needless to say parents are concerned. I think the kids are all going to get it eventually.

@Jellyfishnchips

Active management sounds good, must be some practical policies to help make things safer on the whole. I like the better ventilation idea, in schools and public buildings. I worked in a 60’s concrete council office (pre Covid) and the ventilation was awful, it was a large open plan office with several teams sharing together (rather than smaller divided office rooms) and we constantly got sick off eachother, all the time. Perhaps practical policies which better promote the health of people in the workplace, like better ventilation, would be no bad thing.

Was thinking the other day about when they discovered hand washing a couple hundred years ago and that it had a huge impact on reducing infections (I think it was one Dr who made the link in a hospital) and this led to a policy of hand washing in hospitals which saved countless lives. Maybe if people did more of this day to day then infections of all kinds might spread less (not sure how it applies for air bourne though…)

One if the reasons Florence Nightingale is so revered is her introduction of hand hygiene into hospitals.

www.themilitarytimes.co.uk/history/florence-nightingale-a-pioneer-of-hand-washing-and-hygiene-for-health/

You cannot go through life avoiding catching covid that is unrealistic, same for kids.

Need to start living with it which I am doing.

@Remmy123

You cannot go through life avoiding catching covid that is unrealistic, same for kids.

Need to start living with it which I am doing.

It isn't possible to keep society running if transmission rates get too high, that's the problem. It causes huge disruption to healthcare, education etc, when you have a significant proportion of the population sick or having to isolate.

"Living with it" means keeping it at manageable levels to prevent this happening, or any further national lockdowns.

Don't you all see that the ones who want restrictions, your becoming less and less. Even the government don't agree with you. Time to move on.

isn't possible to keep society running if transmission rates get too high, that's the problem. It causes huge disruption to healthcare, education etc, when you have a significant proportion of the population sick or having to isolate.

"Living with it" means keeping it at manageable levels to prevent this happening, or any further national lockdowns.

So you think you know better? Honestly this is ridiculous.

Heh heh heh. Like a few others have said, I hope it is the plan, and I definitely support it.

But I’m wondering… just because you have joined the dots and can see something resembling a half way decent plan… what makes you think the government can see it yet?

I’m pretty sure old Bozza just bumbles on, waiting to see which way the wind leads him today. Anyone trying to get him to stick to anything resembling a plan would be cast out and burned!

Yes, but Florence Nightingale was an amazing lady who didn't hide behind her ring doorbell.

Obviously sanitation is important. Including hand washing etc. Masks and constant testing can't go on forever.

@Peteycat

isn't possible to keep society running if transmission rates get too high, that's the problem. It causes huge disruption to healthcare, education etc, when you have a significant proportion of the population sick or having to isolate.

"Living with it" means keeping it at manageable levels to prevent this happening, or any further national lockdowns.

So you think you know better? Honestly this is ridiculous.

This is getting comical...

This isn't a controversial statement or me thinking I know better, literally most of government have stated that more restrictions would be necessary if transmission gets too high for the reasons I've outlined.

Just reportedin the Guardian:
*"Secondary school and college pupils will need to wear face masks in communal areas outside of their classrooms yet again in areas of the south west of England as extra support was pledged in response to a rise in coronavirus cases.

PA Media reports that the Department of Health and Social Care said that from today, Cornwall, the Isles of Scilly, Devon, Plymouth and Torbay local authority areas – which have seen a rise in cases – would get help to increase vaccine and testing uptake, and deliver more public health messaging.

Although schools will return from next week as planned, students in secondary schools and colleges will again need to wear face masks in communal areas after the guidance was scrapped on 19 July. The new measures are expected to be in place for five weeks, with the impact monitored."*