If the government were honest about the next 4 months

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They'd say that children are probably going to catch covid, there is nothing to stop this happening. Lots of families will probably catch it off their children, school staff will probably catch it off children too.

Education is going to be disrupted again if the above happens. No way around it. But it could be 'over' by November when the bad weather kicks in and older folk start getting ill as per usual circumstances. At that point booster vaccs could start.

It's definitely 'an approach', but not telling people that this is the plan is unfair. Do you think people have realised this yet? Or are the Emperor's new clothes still in view?

Yawn 🥱

@CampaignToo

Why will more children get sock now than before? We more availabe and more frequent testing, which should mean infected people are out of circulation much earlier.

I’d imagine before bubbles popped and there was isolation, likewise households isolated if there was a case, there were masks, no group assemblies etc. Now that no one has to isolate then plenty will be in school, work, shops etc with a positive parent or partner at home. It’s very easy to see how it will spread more than before.

This is an interesting thread on 'things happening at once'. If you're interested in how colder weather etc might impact things for us.

twitter.com/ab83635723/status/1431200550436196355

James Ward who replies on it, has been really good with the maths and analysis - particularly for Boardmasters impact.

Well, it's certainly letting rip in my neck of the woods (holiday hotspot).

I guess that was always going to happen by the end of the summer holidays.

@Peteycat

Yes I understand about annual flu jabs, but this is totally different.

What's different about it? Sounds very similar and sensible to me.

@RubyFowler

Boosters are definitely going ahead aren't they? We're gearing up for it in the NHS Trust i work in. I thought that was a certainty.

Boosters for who? Vulnerable people over 80?

Over 50's I think lightand.

Now correct me if I'm wrong, but the flu jab is annually which means you have it once a year. Can anyone shed light on how often the boosters for the covid vaccine will be required?

Now correct me if I'm wrong, but the flu jab is annually which means you have it once a year. Can anyone shed light on how often the boosters for the covid vaccine will be required?

What’s your point? If it’s every 6 months or every 2 years, does that prove some weird point you were trying to make about Covid boosters being completely different from flu boosters?

I’ve no idea if it’s yearly or every 6 months. Given the past recorded of this bloody government I’d be shocked if they had even an outline of a plan.

@Peteycat

No it's not for a virus that's very mild to children.

Rubella is very mild in children. We still vaccinate them for the greater good of the population because of the devastating effect it can have in pregnancy.

At one point they only vaccinated girls, but realised that vaccinating boys too gave better protection. Isn't this similar?

@WhenSheWasBad

Now correct me if I'm wrong, but the flu jab is annually which means you have it once a year. Can anyone shed light on how often the boosters for the covid vaccine will be required?

What’s your point? If it’s every 6 months or every 2 years, does that prove some weird point you were trying to make about Covid boosters being completely different from flu boosters?

I’ve no idea if it’s yearly or every 6 months. Given the past recorded of this bloody government I’d be shocked if they had even an outline of a plan.

Quite.

Beyond this, it is a novel virus, efficacy and duration of immunity after a third jab/infection is still being measured.

Anyone saying anything regarding this definitively is talking bollocks, and I'm not sure why the admittance of uncertainty is seen as problematic, rather than responsible.

There is no plan...the original plan didn't pan out as expected so now the government is winging it, no point trying 2nd guess what will happen when they no clue

I'm not sure why the admittance of uncertainty is seen as problematic, rather than responsible

It’s the same phenomenon as not admitting you don’t know or got something wrong. Some would rather double down than admit to a weakness, especially when faced with someone who has a solid foundation of knowledge. I think it’s a massive weakness in our society.

But then I’m no psychologist!

I'm not talking bollocks. I can have a different opinion to you. It's allowed.

I think it will be a disrupted year but less so than the last 2 and it vary from place to place.

The policy seems to be "everyone will catch covid at some point and children by and large do not need the vaccine to avoid serious harm"
Many pupils will need to isolate if and when they catch covid but this will probably only be once a year or so. A school I was at was badly hit in October but no pupils for reinfected by July when delta caused more waves of re infection. I'd expect schools hit hard last year will suffer less this time and vice versa.

I guess disruption caused primary schools may be worse as parents may need to stay off work to look after them. But with no formal isolation help people on low income insecure employment agency work etc may still have to avoid testing etc if they can't afford it.

Staff and teachers may need to isolate over the year as they get infected or reinfected but hopefully nit repeatedly. We know breakthrough infection happens but is very uncommon for infected people who had jabs but I suppose this may change as the year progresses. We should hopefully have less instances of this as there may not be repeated isolations as children, partners etc test positive and lengths of absences may be shorter.

I would be very worried if I lived with anyone ecv or had a child that was ecv.

@Peteycat

I'm not talking bollocks. I can have a different opinion to you. It's allowed.

Yes, but what was your point with comparing the covid vaccines to the flu jab?

In my opinion they are different. You tell me how they are the same then?

If you are so confident in your scientific knowledge.

Give me a full breakdown.

Boosters for who?
Vulnerable people over 80?

Everyone 6 months or so after their second jab i think. As staff we'll be getting our boosters soon.
This is just what I've heard, not through official comms. I work in estates so obviously there are impacts getting space prepared for this.

I’ve never said they’re the same. There are comparisons with other vaccine regimes but you’ve not been clear in exactly where you’re steering the conversation so I’m not going to give examples for you to dismiss because I haven’t read your mind and you decide they’re irrelevant.

How about you try answering a question instead of just asking?

Peteycat

Yes I understand about annual flu jabs, but this is totally different.

What's different about it? Sounds very similar and sensible to me.

Not just you cornetto, others too...

I'm not steering the conversation anywhere.

I think the 'plan' now is surely that most people catch covid? Certainly I can't see how it will be contained in schools with no isolation, particularly no household isolation.

Interestingly schools are being advised that if 5 children or 10% of a 'close group' (class/year group) test positive within 10 days then PHE will consider extra measures including restricting attendance although this will be a last resort.

Also for primary 'close contacts' are in most cases the entire class.

More 'who is the cleverest person in the room' discussion on a coronavirus thread- really boring.