Will you be angry if we end up back in lockdown?

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/ harsh restrictions?

I feel so tired of this all - but mostly tired of feeling lied to by the government. The false promises - 'irreversible' 'final lockdown until science / the vaccines can save the day'

And Scotland are already floating more restrictions, only a few weeks after reopening. It's gutting. I wish they would just tell us what the probably already know is likely to happen over the next few months.

@NannyAndJohn yes the cases have risen, deaths have not. Point of lockdown is not to overwhelm NHS!!! Not because of sniffles ffs.

Well not only will I be complying because things are shut, if we do have restrictions they will I hope be led by the science. I don’t actually want to get Covid not pass it to loved ones and friends. So that’s why I’ll comply if the figures indicate some steps are required. But hey, those who don’t care or feel the risk is balanced in their favour, go right ahead and we’ll be stumbling along for longer.

It would work for me personally because I won't have to have baby in nursery as much (returning from mat leave soon) but no way will I not see family and friends. I'll also miss swimming and yoga a few times a week.

We won't go back into lockdown...it will never happen.

As long as the NHS is coping and deaths aren't heading towards 1000 a day.

Vaccinate vaccinate vaccinate and get the economy back on track.

[quote Remmy123]@NannyAndJohn yes the cases have risen, deaths have not. Point of lockdown is not to overwhelm NHS!!! Not because of sniffles ffs.[/quote]
We have about the same number of people in hospital now as when we were put into Tiers last October.

There are more people in ventilation beds now, compared to then.

And only a slightly lower number being admitted every day

The 7 day average of 28 day deaths is a little lower than it was when the Tier system started. (128 then versus 108 now.)

@User135644

I wonder how those that said they will comply (the clear minority if this were a straw poll) will feel when no one else complies. I don't think we will have anywhere near the same compliance

I know it's the obvious point but people can't go to bars/theatres/gigs/cinemas/restaurants etc that aren't open. Therefore they'll comply.

You surely understand that people complying with the bits they don't have any choice about doesn't mean they're compliant per se? People are pretty clearly talking about private socialising, and as well as this there's the fact that certain services have continued on the quiet in some places. During the last lockdown, I knew of people who were running what were basically shebeens in their houses and gardens, plus beauticians and hairdressers who would come to my home. All illegal obv. But open to me. It was my choice to avoid using them.

And none of this was unique. People can and will continue to provide and use this kind of service. So there's no 'therefore they'll comply' about it.

I'll be fucking furious if we have to have another lockdown because the government has given up on any attempt at a covid strategy but the virus hasn't given up and gone away.

Actions have logical consequences.

What do they think is going to happen when they remove all protections from the British people and all restrictions on the spread of the virus?

The virus is going to spread, and put thousands more British people in hospital, in intensive care, and in the ground.

And some of them will be our children.

Ive only just got enough motivation and got the mental strength together to start a healthy eating programme after succumbing to emotional eating to cope during the lockdowns.

@QueenHofScotland

Isn’t there a middle ground?

Some additional rules that reduce the spread / contain outbreaks.

Masks being mandatory. Maybe some rules about maximum numbers indoors at private gatherings (purely so that if someone positive you reduce the spread), people in your house isolating with you if you test positive - just some examples of fairly easy restrictions that would still allow for a fairly normal life.

Unless you are all having parties every weekend with 100 people at them and this would impact you significantly?!

A "middle ground" would have been a suitable option a couple of months ago.

But it's too late now.

Add me to the list of "not doing it again". 18 months of this, during which my Dad has deteriorated to the point of not recognising my son last time we visited. Two years of education destroyed.

Get your vaccines they said, vaccines are our way out of this shit, vaccines are highly effective at preventing serious illness/death.

Vaccines ARE good at preventing serious illness. Covid is going nowhere. I will not accept this constant shifting of the goalposts. Sturgeon and her ridiculous Zero Covid nonsense, telling us to roll up our sleeves to get back to doing what we wanted - but 66% of the ENTIRE Scottish population has had two vaccines and that's not good enough?

Fuck that. Time to live with it.

@NannyAndJohn lockdown isn't brining down Delta cases in Australia. So what do you want to happen? They are only keeping at bay with a lockdown to give them time to vaccinate. We are vaccinated.

The window for lockdowns might be over.

We have about the same number of people in hospital now as when we were put into Tiers last October.

How many people were vaccinated last October, oh nutty one?

That's right. NOBODY.

And don't start with your pish about waning immunity and variants and whatever. Boosters for the vulnerable on an ongoing, annual basis.

Have you seen this? Before anyone points out that it's rumour, this government does a good job of leaking info before admitting it's policy so that they can gauge public reaction. Good chance that these government advisors are telling the truth even though I think hospitals will be overwhelmed long before that point.

inews.co.uk/news/boris-johnson-privately-accepts-up-to-50000-annual-covid-deaths-as-an-acceptable-level-1170069?ITO=newsnow

Yes I will be utterly furious.

Because it has been proven again and again that lockdowns don't work - they just delay the inevitable. And meanwhile everyone suffers.

I will not comply if there's another. If they worked, I would, but they don't. Lockdowns should be a last resort when everything else - including making appropriate investment in healthcare and public health initiatives - have failed. Where is the public health messaging about obesity? A few adverts on TV last year, after it became apparent that the reason Boris was so ill was because he was fat. That'll work....

@BroccoliFloret

We have about the same number of people in hospital now as when we were put into Tiers last October.

How many people were vaccinated last October, oh nutty one?

That's right. NOBODY.

And don't start with your pish about waning immunity and variants and whatever. Boosters for the vulnerable on an ongoing, annual basis.

I can't tell what point you're making.

And I'm saying that as someone who's double jabbed with Covid now because of Boardmasters. I see it as my booster shot, hopefully.

@AllTheSingleLadiess it will be true.

I wonder how they'll balance seasonality and peaks and troughs

[quote AllTheSingleLadiess]Have you seen this? Before anyone points out that it's rumour, this government does a good job of leaking info before admitting it's policy so that they can gauge public reaction. Good chance that these government advisors are telling the truth even though I think hospitals will be overwhelmed long before that point.

inews.co.uk/news/boris-johnson-privately-accepts-up-to-50000-annual-covid-deaths-as-an-acceptable-level-1170069?ITO=newsnow[/quote]
Well he's way above target for 2021.

That's how many British people died in January and February.

It would be nice if he didn't let another 50,000 of us die by next March.

[quote turnshavetabled]@NannyAndJohn lockdown isn't brining down Delta cases in Australia. So what do you want to happen? They are only keeping at bay with a lockdown to give them time to vaccinate. We are vaccinated.

The window for lockdowns might be over.[/quote]
I don’t think this is a good comparison though. NSW have fewer than 1000 cases a day and can’t get back to zero because it’s seeded in essential services they can’t shut. Whereas here with 30,000 cases, a lockdown would reduce the numbers as lots of those 30k cases are contracted in non-essential services.

The other difference is low vaccination so far in NSW, so they are buying time with their lockdown. But we have vaccinated most people, and cases would just shoot right up again once we lift lockdown.

@BroccoliFloret

We have about the same number of people in hospital now as when we were put into Tiers last October.

How many people were vaccinated last October, oh nutty one?

That's right. NOBODY.

And don't start with your pish about waning immunity and variants and whatever. Boosters for the vulnerable on an ongoing, annual basis.

We didn't have Delta last year. We didn't even have Alpha.

We had Original Covid with an R0 of ~3 whereas we now have Delta with an R0 of ~7.7.

~63% of the UK population are vaccinated, and generously assuming that vaccines reduce transmission by 80% we're looking at a current R0 of

0.63 (7.7 (1 - 0.80)) + (1 - 0.63) * 7.7 = 3.82.

We need restrictions.

I'm in the south west and there's lots of media speculation of 'extra restrictions for 5 weeks'.....fed up.

The thing is, you can shut as many shops and cafes as you like, but mixing in private spaces is never going to be policed.

@NannyAndJohn there was Alpha. It just wasn't announced.

You've been saying we 'need' restrictions for months. Touting 100k daily cases by June.

What do you want out of all of this now we've al been vaccinated? Restrictions forever?

I've been told this week that I can go back to the office full time if I want. If I'm suddenly told I have to work from home permanently again I really don't think I can do it. A combination of being ridiculously busy and having my home turned into an office as I have no spare room nearly broke me and I really don't think I can do it again.

I suspect there’s going to be a huge increase in the return to the office in September.
There wasn’t much point pushing for it over the summer, but when the kids are back in school...