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Will you be angry if we end up back in lockdown?

768 replies

turnshavetabled · 27/08/2021 08:27

/ harsh restrictions?

I feel so tired of this all - but mostly tired of feeling lied to by the government. The false promises - 'irreversible' 'final lockdown until science / the vaccines can save the day'

And Scotland are already floating more restrictions, only a few weeks after reopening. It's gutting. I wish they would just tell us what the probably already know is likely to happen over the next few months.

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MercyBooth · 27/08/2021 20:23

@PinkSparklyPussyCat There has been absolutely no thought given to people who live in small flats and/or bedsits. None whatsoever.

TartanJumper · 27/08/2021 20:35

I won't beanery but I will be very depressed. Not sure I can cope with much more to be honest.
If we end up in another lockdown, then it means the vaccines aren't doing what we expected and we're back to square one.

IcedPurple · 27/08/2021 20:37

@marieantoinehairnet

Do you know, we could simply unwind a few of the stupid senseless things they've screwed up, then we might have a chance of not going under the bus...

Get masks back on people

Drop mass gatherings without stringent testing

Embrace and promote WFH where possible instead of trying to save Pret

Three dead simple steps, could make a massive difference

But no, we went gung-ho like Boris said and now were shooting ourself repeatedly in the foot!!

What makes you think these things would make a 'massive difference'?

Scotland still has mandatory mask wearing, WFH guidance and limited mass gatherings. Yet their rates are rising steeply, much more so than in England.

I think people are fooling themselves if they think 'dead simple steps' are going to make a 'massive difference. It might reassure people that 'mitigations' are taking place, but the only thing that really makes a difference are strict lockdowns.

turnshavetabled · 27/08/2021 20:39

@IcedPurple elephant in the room is that schools are the problem. Everything else could be open and free if they were closed.

But they can't be and we can't afford to keep everything else closed long term just so they can be open.

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IcedPurple · 27/08/2021 20:40

@Guacamole001

Why cant we reintroduce masks as mandatory like before. It would really help IMHO.
What's the evidence for mandatory mask wearing making a big difference in and of itself. with no other restrictions?
PinkSparklyPussyCat · 27/08/2021 20:41

[quote MercyBooth]@PinkSparklyPussyCat There has been absolutely no thought given to people who live in small flats and/or bedsits. None whatsoever.[/quote]
You're right. I live in a one bedroom flat which I'm perfectly happy with as it suits us - we like the area, it's convenient for work and I've got a little garden so we're luckier than a lot of people. However having the living room turned into a office so I have to see everything every time I go in there didn't do me any good at all, I felt as though I was living at the office.

DH feels as though he can't sit in the living room as I'm often on calls so spent most of the winter reading in the bedroom. I told him to spend as much time in the living room as he wants, it's his home not an office but he still felt awkward. I nearly walked out a couple of times and I know I can't do it long term again.

ButteringMyArse · 27/08/2021 20:42

It's unfortunately looking that way.

lightattheendofthetunnel2021 · 27/08/2021 20:44

Yes, but only because I just don't think they work in the long run. No way will I comply - I'll still meet family.

There are so much to consider in terms of the negative knock-on effects. I'm sure a small percentage of those with (not saying all) Long Covid is actually depression, isolation etc. Lockdowns have also hit elderly hard. Once they lose their mobility that's often it, especially if they're 80+.

Because, on the whole, Covid - especially when vaccinated - is just not that deadly. Before I'm shot down, of course there are exceptions and we read about them in the newspapers and on here, but on the whole, very very few cases of those who caught Covid in the community went on to die. I.e. most of those (as I said, not all), who die are the very elderly and frail in care homes or those with underlying conditions which meant that they were in hospital anyway.

I'm a CV person but have looked at my risk profile and decided that I will take the risk (and I don't think, despite being 50+ that it's a big one). Papers still don't publish data to show that, on the whole, this is truly a disease that tends to hit those who are weakest/oldest. There is a huge amount of anxiety that has built up in the UK, much more so here than in many other countries. Because we're not given the true breakdown of data in the papers (whether digital or paper) or on the news.

Doesn't mean I don't care for those who have been hit, died etc, but we can't stop society forever.

Greenhand · 27/08/2021 20:44

@PrincessNutNuts

I'll be fucking furious if we have to have another lockdown because the government has given up on any attempt at a covid strategy but the virus hasn't given up and gone away.

Actions have logical consequences.

What do they think is going to happen when they remove all protections from the British people and all restrictions on the spread of the virus?

The virus is going to spread, and put thousands more British people in hospital, in intensive care, and in the ground.

And some of them will be our children.

Sadly I agree. And your last sentence is frightening but realistic. Along with the previous one.

It's horrendously depressing yet inevitable.

rookiemere · 27/08/2021 20:46

@turnshavetabled - you've not even mentioned universities going back, although hopefully most young people will have already caught it last year or at raves this summer.

It's the sheer volumes that get me. There will be a lot of people who have had covid over the past 18 months without knowing about it but still the infection rates are now so high.

NannyAndJohn · 27/08/2021 20:48

[quote MercyBooth]@PinkSparklyPussyCat There has been absolutely no thought given to people who live in small flats and/or bedsits. None whatsoever.[/quote]
With permanent WFH, those currently living in squalor would be able to move elsewhere where they can afford somewhere nicer.

XenoBitch · 27/08/2021 20:51

[quote MercyBooth]@PinkSparklyPussyCat There has been absolutely no thought given to people who live in small flats and/or bedsits. None whatsoever.[/quote]
I know a chap who lives in a tiny windowless bedsit, who joined a gym just for the shower facilities. I can't imagine how hard the first lockdowns must have been.

Franticbutterfly · 27/08/2021 21:02

I won't be following any lockdown measures and I won't wear a mask either (except for at work where I have to anyway).

PinkSparklyPussyCat · 27/08/2021 21:02

With permanent WFH, those currently living in squalor would be able to move elsewhere where they can afford somewhere nicer.

Oh please fuck off with your ridiculous judgemental bullshit @NannyAndJohn.

Do you really think those of us who don't have a spare room are living in squalor? Some people may be and I feel sorry for them but not all of us are. I live in a nice flat in a nice area with no mortgage and I don't want to move and end up paying out more for the privilege of working?**. How do you think not having my 15 minute commute is going allow me to afford somewhere nicer (in your opinion anyway)?

**none of that is meant to sound boastful, I know I'm luckier than many and only have no mortgage because my Mum died.

turnshavetabled · 27/08/2021 21:07

@PinkSparklyPussyCat sorry about your Mum. You don't need to justify to Nanny why you might be better off than others.

She lives in cuckoo land. Gleeful when deaths and cases go up and clearly had enjoyed lockdown!

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PinkSparklyPussyCat · 27/08/2021 21:10

Thanks @turnshavetabled, I'd much rather have a mortgage and my Mum, I just didn't want anyone to think I was boasting when I know there are a lot of people who would love to live in the squalor that is my flat!

StartSelect · 27/08/2021 21:13

I’ve been on board with all restrictions until now but I’ve had enough now. Im in Scotland and can’t even go in my local chip shop, have to wait outside, can’t see my GP face to face, or visit council or housing offices but bars are rammed. I had 3 covid ‘warn and inform emails’ for my dc school year group just today, 6 in total this week! It’s a nonsense. I don’t think lockdown or restrictions will happen again

AlecTrevelyan006 · 27/08/2021 21:19

i wouldn't be hugely surprised if the govt reintroduces some restrictions but at this point I honestly believe it's pointless. We now know for sure that lockdowns (light or strict) at best only delay the spread of coronavirus. Lockdowns do not get rid of coronavirus. So, yeah, if we lockdown then cases, hospitalisations and deaths will fall but the moment we open up again - as we will have to at some stage - then they will go back up again. All we can do now is keep vaccinating people and just get on with things.

MedSchoolRat · 27/08/2021 21:20

The R0 depends on how naive (susceptible) the population is and how much they interact.

R0 goes down if everyone has effective vaccine and keeps social contacts down (coMix)
R0 = 7 is not our current situation, with Delta but >85% of eligible vaccinated & social contacts still down compared to this time last year (coMix study).

Basic epidemiology.
Plus transmission was never what mattered, what mattered is severe illness.

BunsyGirl · 27/08/2021 21:46

@NannyAndJohn that was an absolutely disgusting comment and shows how little you know about anything.

Jourdain11 · 27/08/2021 21:47

@PinkSparklyPussyCat

With permanent WFH, those currently living in squalor would be able to move elsewhere where they can afford somewhere nicer.

Oh please fuck off with your ridiculous judgemental bullshit @NannyAndJohn.

Do you really think those of us who don't have a spare room are living in squalor? Some people may be and I feel sorry for them but not all of us are. I live in a nice flat in a nice area with no mortgage and I don't want to move and end up paying out more for the privilege of working?**. How do you think not having my 15 minute commute is going allow me to afford somewhere nicer (in your opinion anyway)?

**none of that is meant to sound boastful, I know I'm luckier than many and only have no mortgage because my Mum died.

Ha, I didn't realise that living in a 1 bed flat = living in squalor.

DH and me spent 5 years in squalor. We only moved to less squalid squalor when DD2 was born. And even now our two youngest share a room. I'll tell DH to let his school know that he'll need to teach from home from now on so that we can move elsewhere and find something nicer Wink

Usual2usual · 27/08/2021 21:50

If we have another lockdown then I think we have to accept that it will just become the way of life now. We have vaccines, there is nothing else coming along to 'fix' this. It is a virus and will act accordingly, it will mutate (regardless of whether we all follow the 'rules'), it will kill people (just like flu, norovirus, rsv etc.) and it will not just disappear.

I can't live my life under this constant threat of restrictions, neither can my children.

Vaccines are working but people are, as always, stupid, and expect 100% protection from them which no one has ever claimed will happen.

I am in Scotland yes we have loads of cases but deaths and hospitalisations remain low.

To everyone who wants resteictions or lockdowns back - is the plan that they just become a way of life forever? If not then what is the end point?

I feel like I'm living in some kind of nightmare with all this sometimes.

PopcornMuncher · 27/08/2021 21:51

I won't comply if another lockdown comes. I'm double vaccinated and have had covid. If I'm not safe to live a normal life now I never will be.

I'm not living the rest of my life like this

Jourdain11 · 27/08/2021 21:53

[quote BunsyGirl]@NannyAndJohn that was an absolutely disgusting comment and shows how little you know about anything.[/quote]
Nanny doesn't even know that there's such a thing as social housing. That's, like, beyond squalor. The outer circles of hell I should imagine.

But it's obviously people's own fault if they are not well off. If you live in a 22nd floor tower block with 4 kids in a two bedroom flat it's because you've made Poor Choices. And as for women: every one of us should be thankful because this pandemic has been soooo good for women, you will have your partner at home with you to beat you up and terrorise you while you without anyone knowing what's going on help you with domestic duties.

PopcornMuncher · 27/08/2021 21:58

With permanent WFH, those currently living in squalor would be able to move elsewhere where they can afford somewhere nicer.

I think this proves along with all your other posts just how out of touch you are with the real world

What do you propose for the people living in those awful flats in Croydon? For whom getting out of the place that should be safe and comfortable and where they should be able to relax is probably the thing that makes their lives bearableSad

Oh I know. All they're being asked to do is stay at home and watch NetflixHmm