Will you be angry if we end up back in lockdown?

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/ harsh restrictions?

I feel so tired of this all - but mostly tired of feeling lied to by the government. The false promises - 'irreversible' 'final lockdown until science / the vaccines can save the day'

And Scotland are already floating more restrictions, only a few weeks after reopening. It's gutting. I wish they would just tell us what the probably already know is likely to happen over the next few months.

If we have to lock down again I will of course comply. I’ll be sad if we need to because it means C19 is still a menacing threat to life and future, but I don’t feel any need to rally against the government and not do it. C19 is a bastard.

@rookiemere I don't understand why they opened events with thousands of spectators and basically threw out all the rules when the situation is in a delicate balance.

Because tens/hundreds of thousands of jobs and entire industries were at risk of being lost forever. Theatres, nightclubs, etc can be closed temporarily, but once months turn into years, you're never going to get them back.

The UK isn't a vacuum. We can't, say, ban football matches, when they're going ahead all over the rest of Europe and in fact, the World.

@NailsNeedDoing

I’d be angry at being told to have a vaccine that I don’t want but had anyway because it was supposed to stop all the disruption caused by lockdowns. I wouldn’t comply if we were put into lockdown again.

Yes. Me too.

My kids have also had jabs that they didn’t want, and, given the risks Covid poses to them, didn’t need and felt somewhat coerced into having, because vaccines were supposed to be our way out of this mess.

@TheGuru87

I find it strange that people feel the government doesn't know what's going to happen...

The charts right now show we are in trouble, with a clear upwards trend. Yet we are still allowing gatherings of thousands of people....

We are allowing our selves to get to a point of another lockdown and the government is doing nothing about it.

What I find most disturbing, is that schooling and education are being sacrificed for people to go to these events. Surely restrictions should be bought in now, to prioritise education and work...

Some restrictions now, will prevent another likely 3 month lockdown. The government could also get the nightingales up and running and operational. The government does not want to pay NHS staff x2 wages to staff it, but will hand out billions in furlough and grants.

Seems like some sort of class war is also going on in the mist of this.

Do we carry on like this forever?

Agree with many if your points

Feels deja but last autumn when we acted too late the 2nd time then had half arsed lockdown which led to the 3rd one.
Boris kept saying data not dates

New data that come to light

Its been obvious from 2nd alpha wave that covid spreads fast in schools.
We see in USA lots kids getting very ill with delta strain.
When kids got ill in Brazil, Indonesia or India everyone said thats because they poor with poor healthcare.
We know covid 19 is a airborne virus.
We know big events like Wembley and festivals lead to mass cases.
We know nhs struggling other viruses too not just covid and that routine appointments and operation are being cancelled.
We know double jabbed people can catch and transmit covid 19.
We know that immunity wants 4-5 months with az which we used in large amounts in the UK and pfizer 5-6 months.
So those who were vaccinated jan fe the most vulnerable groups i guess 1 and 2 plus healthcare have decreasing immunity.
Masks not mandatory no ones wearing them.
Now is the time to act.
Offered 12 to 15 vaccines in October will be too late.
Not isolating household contacts massive mistake.

I would be angry yes as entirely inevitable I would rather have kept some restrictions and had everything open.
Thats what Europe's doing and lower cases than us.
If we lockdown too late or don't reintroduce some restrictions we will have hard lockdown for longer period a circuit breaker 2 weeks won't work as think that's what they suggesting oct half term be too late.

@TheGuru87 there was always going to be an upward spike when they reopened everything - they knew it was going to happen. Perhaps the plan is to just ride it out. They suggested we could have over 100k cases no no lockdown so perhaps the hope is that once schools open they won't surpass that.

I kept away from my Grandma, thought I was keeping her safe. Thought if I waited till this was over, we could see her again and it would be fine. Well she died. Not even from covid, just age related things. She barely met her great granddaughter. She loved her great grandchildren and she barely saw them in the last year of her life. I will never stay away from my loved ones again.

@TheKeatingFive

Those are the major disruptions and of course you have to comply. Daft to say otherwise.

This is naive. Various services went underground where I am last lockdown. This will only get worse.

Er - dentists? Opticians? GPs? Theatres? Shops? Nursing homes?

Hard to imagine them going underground.

Not me that's naive.

@3asAbird it wanes in that it doesn't prevent infection but it still protects against serious illness / hospitalisation. I think the 'immunity wanes' headlines are OTT.

I will be angry that Boris' friends will somehow financially benefit from the lockdown and that wasted money should have gone to services that need it like the NHS

If we have another lockdown then it's presumably because the NHS is overwhelmed and we edge slowly towards more privatization and profit for Tory donors. It doesn't help that Tories are opening new wings at hospitals and calling it a new hospital so that they can look like they are fulfilling their manifesto promise.

I hope that they have ordered enough Pfizer booster shots and there's enough resources to ensure that the vaccination effort proceeds at top speed again.

It depends on the reason for the lockdown.

If the reason is because hospitals are getting overwhelmed due to unvaccinated people I will be fucking seething. I don’t support forced vaccination, of course not, but it is fucking immoral to even think about locking an entire country down because a minority of people refuse to take a vaccine (I’m not talking about those that can’t have it).

If numbers of vaccinated people needing hospitalisation are sufficient to overwhelm the NHS then I suppose it can’t be helped, but we should not lockdown to accommodate vaccine refusal.

I cannot see the basis for a further lockdown. I supported the last ones - suppress until a vaccine can be found. Now there is a vaccine, what’s the long term goal of a lockdown?

Also, people not complying by visiting friends and family will be a big problem because household transmission is a massive factor in spread. Shutting restaurants doesn’t help if those people meet up round each other’s houses instead.

I will comply as I’m a goody two shoes and scared of getting into trouble, but I completely understand those who say they won’t.

@3asAbird I would be angry yes as entirely inevitable I would rather have kept some restrictions and had everything open.

You can't have "everything" open if you have restrictions.

Keeping most things open with minimal restrictions WON'T bring down infection rates. We had rising infections before the large gatherings, before nightclubs were allowed to open, before mask wearing was no longer obligatory.

If we want infections rates to be reduced, we need pretty severe restrictions, i.e. lots of closures, maybe even a proper lockdown.

Faffing around with a few light restrictions whilst keeping things open won't achieve anything.

@NotQuiteUsual

I kept away from my Grandma, thought I was keeping her safe. Thought if I waited till this was over, we could see her again and it would be fine. Well she died. Not even from covid, just age related things. She barely met her great granddaughter. She loved her great grandchildren and she barely saw them in the last year of her life. I will never stay away from my loved ones again.

I'm really sorry, that's so sad

The lack of planning for this winter is concerning.
For example October half term should be made 2 weeks so that there's a firebreak. I know that children will still socialise indoors but better with a handful of close contacts than 29 others since houses tend to be better ventilated than schools too.

Even in "normal" times, some people don't get the treatment they need on the NHS if, say, ICU beds aren't available.

I think we need to start accepting that "some" people with Covid aren't going to get the ICU bed they need, because other people also need NHS treatment, i.e. people needing operations, cancer treatment, etc.

The NHS can't save everyone, it never has been able to, so, perhaps it's time for it to get back to treating other people who need it, even if it means some covid patients don't get saved.

I wont be complying. Can't do much about cafes, shops, pubs etc shutting... but I won't stop seeing friends and family.

Nicola Sturgeon on live now.

@XenoBitch

I wont be complying. Can't do much about cafes, shops, pubs etc shutting... but I won't stop seeing friends and family.

Different households mixing indoors is one of the main risks for covid spreading. It's why Delta spread so widely so quickly. At that time, lots of places were closed as we had only just started to come out of lockdown, and the spread was because families/friends were socialising in eachother's houses.

If we do go back into lockdown, and people don't respect it by socialising privately, then all it achieves is a longer lockdown, as numbers won't reduce quickly, if at all!

Yes. And it will be because too many people have thrown caution to the wind. Just because it isn't the LAW to wear a mask or socially distance or clean your hands properly, doesn't mean it isn't a good idea to do it as far as you can.

There is a saying 'a stitch in time saves nine'.

I also won't comply. My mental health has been hanging by a thread at times and that's my priority now.

The NHS can't save everyone, it never has been able to, so, perhaps it's time for it to get back to treating other people who need it, even if it means some covid patients don't get saved.

So Covid patients don't need saving???

@SandrasAnnoyingFriend

I also won't comply. My mental health has been hanging by a thread at times and that's my priority now.

Mine too, as I've been shielding. But hey, your MH is clearly more important than mine.

@SandrasAnnoyingFriend

I also won't comply. My mental health has been hanging by a thread at times and that's my priority now.

Same here. I wont go back to the place I was during the first lockdown. It that makes us selfish, then so be it. Our mental health matters too.

Not angry.

But fed up.

I do think they need to re-evaluate the rules on households with Covid. That to me would make perfect sense

I won't comply so I'll just be pissed off that I can't go out to restaurants etc while still seeing family /friends in the house

If there is another lockdown we will continue to see family and any friends that want to see other people.
We would go to anything that was open. Children's lives have been disrupted too much already. Their mental health, physical health, engagement with education, social skills, sports skills, life opportunities cannot be eroded any more. I'd rather take my chances with dying from a virus than living 'safely' for years in my house watching my children wilt.