Will you be angry if we end up back in lockdown?

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/ harsh restrictions?

I feel so tired of this all - but mostly tired of feeling lied to by the government. The false promises - 'irreversible' 'final lockdown until science / the vaccines can save the day'

And Scotland are already floating more restrictions, only a few weeks after reopening. It's gutting. I wish they would just tell us what the probably already know is likely to happen over the next few months.

@Chillychangchoo

I do agree that there are certain posters on here (I think we all know one or two) that should be ignored. It’s not healthy engaging with them and they’re not displaying healthy behaviours themselves so we need to stop feeding them.

🧐 That’s rich coming from someone advocating 80 year olds are dispensable on another thread.

There will be riots if they try another lockdown, what's the point of the vaccine if we cant get back to normal?

The past lockdowns have been pretty hard to justify before most had their 2 jabs. Now it's nonsense.

@Delatron

I think with the ‘anyone can work from home statement’ nannyandjohn lost any remaining credibility that she had...

It was obvious what I meant.

Of course there are plenty of occupations that will never be able to WFH, so the rest of us should make an effort to in order to keep contacts to a minimum.

I'm not going to carry on shredding my mental health and damaging my physical health any longer if there is any alternative. As it happens, my employer agrees with me and I'm back in the office 3 days a week. Long may it continue.

I am not so adversely affected by the them, infact one dc has flourished in them and it gives me the opportunity to help enormously, I can move them forward, the other dc has been OK but a few months we could bear but not ideal.

I'd prefer not to need one, I'd prefer a degree of sensiblilty and keep mitigating measures in place.

@NannyAndJohn It's still not very healthy to sit on your settee with a laptop all day. In some instances it's an occupational health hazard, in others it's meaning that other household members are banished from the only communal room due to confidentiality issues. Now a lot of employers require assessment to pass a home-working environment as safe and secure. As a manager I'm sure you're aware of this.

@NothingIsWrong

I'm not going to carry on shredding my mental health and damaging my physical health any longer if there is any alternative. As it happens, my employer agrees with me and I'm back in the office 3 days a week. Long may it continue.

This. We're back one day a week at the moment and two from next week with the plan to increase to a minimum of three. I've been told that because I've struggled I can go in five days now if I want but while I'm managing I'm sticking to the company plan. If that changes I'll be in full time.

in others it's meaning that other household members are banished from the only communal room due to confidentiality issues.

At the beginning we were sent an email reminding us of confidentiality on calls (company confidentiality). I've ignored it all the way through. What was I supposed to do, ask DH to sit in the garden while I'm on a call?

If you were a 23 year old in a flat share, d'you reckon you'd see the benefit of working from a laptop sitting on your bed and getting chronic back pain over going to work and maybe catching a virus which will most likely make you mildly unwell for a few days?

All WFH has done in my company is make working extra hours, evenings and weekends the norm and not just something that was necessary whilst trying to look after kids. So no, I won't be doing it for any longer than i need to.

And its not just your home set up thats the only consideration, its the remote working provisions and capacities that your employer has that can affect your ability to WFH. Our systems are constantly slowing down or even crashing completely because too many people are trying to use it, which is another reason why a lot of people then have to log in after hours or at the weekend.

🧐 That’s rich coming from someone advocating 80 year olds are dispensable on another thread

I think this is really unfair. Whether people like it or not, the health service makes utilitarian calculations all the time about how, when, and to whom to offer expensive treatments/ how to ration limited resources etc and age, health, life expectancy etc., are part of these calculations. We have to be able to have grown up conversations about mortality. That’s not to say old people are disposable and that their lives aren’t important, but that we are all mortal, and there are limits to what we can do to prevent disease and death, particularly as people age. Whether we like to admit it or not, our society has never been organised around a principle that we must prevent/ delay all avoidable deaths to the maximum extent possible, regardless of any cost. This would be impractical, even if it were desirable. along with a desire to prolonging human life, we have to consider the quality of that life, and the limits to how long death can reasonably prevented , and at what cost. We do this all the time. It’s only in the context of covid, that these things have become unspeakable.

@Jourdain11

If you were a 23 year old in a flat share, d'you reckon you'd see the benefit of working from a laptop sitting on your bed and getting chronic back pain over going to work and maybe catching a virus which will most likely make you mildly unwell for a few days?

What if they pass it on to someone and they are more than "mildly unwell for a few days"?

And anyone can WFH. All you need is a laptop and you're set

Yep you're absolutely right....except of course care workers, delivery drivers, emergency services, utitlity services....in fact all the people that you rely on when your tucked up in your cosy bunker spouting nonsense.

Oh and who is going to bury the 1000's of people you endlessly predict are going to succumb to covid if the undertakers are all WFH?

NannyAndJohn stop now you're embarrassing.

When nanny said anyone can work from home they didn't actually mean anyone can work from home.

Just like when they said it was carnage in Scotland they didnt actually mean it was carnage in Scotland.

I would be upset but I am kinda expecting it. Its just a gut feeling I have. When you have been locked down 3 times, I think that it would be overly optimistic to rule it out. I know we have the vaccine now and that helps a lot.. but there is still a chance. we are living in unchartered territory here.

@onlychildhamster

I would be upset but I am kinda expecting it. Its just a gut feeling I have. When you have been locked down 3 times, I think that it would be overly optimistic to rule it out. I know we have the vaccine now and that helps a lot.. but there is still a chance. we are living in unchartered territory here.

I agree.

The government have let things get out of hand and called a lockdown three times already. It's what they do.

They're renewing the emergency covid powers as we speak, I believe.

@NannyAndJohn With permanent WFH, those currently living in squalor would be able to move elsewhere where they can afford somewhere nicer.

I live in a 2 bed flat in north London near DH's mother's house. a 4 bed house in our area would cost in excess of a million. Out of DH's mum's 4 children, we are probably the only ones who would stay in London as we have managed to buy a flat here and the other siblings have relocated to other cities. DH's mum realistically needs at least one of her children to be nearby to help her as she grows older; and we need her help with childcare (which we need irregardless of WFH). Also why should my DH, a 4th generation londoner move out of London just so that his employer can save on office rental? Our employers aren't paying for us to upgrade to a 4 bed house!

Many people don't just live in expensive areas for the economic opportunities. in fact, many londoners earn below the national average! For many second generation immigrants, London is where their communities are, and they only manage to continue living in London by living in smaller spaces.

@Delatron fwiw I am (or more accurately was) an ICU nurse until I got long Covid. I can’t work at the mo. Most of my colleagues still wear masks in shops etc. They see the consequences of covid and most are close to burn out. I don’t agree about another lockdown but surely taking a simple measure like wearing a mask will help reduce spread and the pressure on the NHS ? People round me have basically given up wearing masks, it’s over for most of them, life back to normal. But for NHS staff it’s clearly a huge ball ache and inconvenience, bloody awful wearing ppe, clinics are disrupted, life just way more complicated. But hey you’re all ok now. Until you catch it or are bereaved or have a partner who’s life is massively affected by long Covid.

I don’t agree about another lockdown but surely taking a simple measure like wearing a mask will help reduce spread and the pressure on the NHS ?

What's the evidence that mask wearing alone will have a significant impact?

@onlychildhamster I live in Surrey and we moved to where we are now as it was convenient for our elderly mothers at the time. They've both since died but we like the area and don't want to move away. DH is semi retired and I'm thinking of looking for another job, probably less well paid, so we can't afford to move in this area.

As a lorry driver I'd love it. The roads were a joy to drive as there was no traffic!

@IcedPurple stopped me getting covid off a patient who was a false negative. After many hours close exposure. High flow fio2 70ltrs, coughing. Good enough for me.

I presume that was a properly fitted medical grade mask @Effybriest. I believe they would work, but not the double layer cotton ones that I and many others wear.

I'm glad it protected you