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Will you be angry if we end up back in lockdown?

768 replies

turnshavetabled · 27/08/2021 08:27

/ harsh restrictions?

I feel so tired of this all - but mostly tired of feeling lied to by the government. The false promises - 'irreversible' 'final lockdown until science / the vaccines can save the day'

And Scotland are already floating more restrictions, only a few weeks after reopening. It's gutting. I wish they would just tell us what the probably already know is likely to happen over the next few months.

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Delatron · 03/09/2021 20:58

@Effybriest but that’s a government policy issue.

I really think people place far too much importance on masks. Wearing a mask in a supermarket for 20 minutes doesn’t have a huge impact.

We know most of the spread is through close contacts within households.

For what it’s worth I still wear a mask in supermarkets. Like your colleagues. I just don’t think it’s achieving much.

I have friends in the NHS and in ICU. That’s a separate issue. Me not supporting any future pointless lockdowns does not mean I’m not hugely sympathetic to NHS workers. You trash the economy through another lockdown where does that leave the NHS? Maybe the government should be focusing on investing in the NHS.

Effybriest · 03/09/2021 21:04

@PinkSparklyPussyCat nope. It was a normal surgical mask. We were miffed off about having to wear them in green areas tbh. Luckily in the end it did it's job and was entirely worth it.
@Delatron fair enough Smile

Jourdain11 · 03/09/2021 21:10

I'm not so sure not catching off someone can be put down to a mask. My friend and her husband got Covid and so did DS2. DS1 and 3 tested, didn't distance (they were resigned to all getting it!!), didn't wear masks, and never caught Covid. Sometimes it is truly very random Confused

IcedPurple · 03/09/2021 21:28

[quote Effybriest]@IcedPurple stopped me getting covid off a patient who was a false negative. After many hours close exposure. High flow fio2 70ltrs, coughing. Good enough for me.[/quote]
You don't know for sure that wearing a mask was responsible for this though. Sometimes people don't catch the virus despite extensive exposure. It's a bit of a leap to say that this cases proves that wearing masks in Tesco is going to make a significant difference.

PinkSparklyPussyCat · 03/09/2021 22:34

The same thing happened to my friend @Jourdain11, both her daughters were positive, no social distancing in the home but her and her DH didn’t catch it. They also didn’t catch it after prolonged contact with someone else who tested positive

onlychildhamster · 03/09/2021 23:01

@PinkSparklyPussyCat I think masks do slow down the spread even if efficacy varies based on type of mask. Would rather wear masks than have the shops and restaurants closed! I love browsing the shops even if I buy almost all my clothes online! For me, lockdown is really boring as there is only so many times you can walk through Highgate woods... Or go to the pet shop. Or go to the supermarket. It was one endless loop of boringness. I learnt during lockdown that I am 100% a city girl and what is a city if everything is closed?

severelysound · 03/09/2021 23:01

@NannyAndJohn What if they pass it on to someone and they are more than "mildly unwell for a few days"?

Then they are 'more than mildly unwell for a few days' now instead of 'more than mildly unwell for a few days' next month, or in December, or in August 2022...?

The people in hospital this very moment are people who didn't end up in hospital in October 2020 or May 2021 (when they were empty) because we'd forced one half of the country to stay at home and the other half to work providing services for them.

Kick the can, kick the can.... is the end of the road not vaccines, in your opinion? If it's not, what is? What change are you anticipating that will be good enough to stop us kicking the can, and more importantly - when is it coming?

Quartz2208 · 03/09/2021 23:35

@PrincessNutNuts yes they are renewing the powers, it comes up every six months so March-Sept Sept-March March-Sept. It has a two year life span that legally needs to be looked at every six months. I dont think anyone would expect anything else. I wouldnt read anything into that

Masks are interesting - I have every faith that a proper medical grade masks work. The cotton things we use and forget to clean regularly not so much

XenoBitch · 03/09/2021 23:41

@PinkSparklyPussyCat

in others it's meaning that other household members are banished from the only communal room due to confidentiality issues.

At the beginning we were sent an email reminding us of confidentiality on calls (company confidentiality). I've ignored it all the way through. What was I supposed to do, ask DH to sit in the garden while I'm on a call?

Well, I would hope anyone working in something like social care or mental health would 100% insist on all family vacating whatever room they were working in.
Jourdain11 · 03/09/2021 23:42

[quote onlychildhamster]@PinkSparklyPussyCat I think masks do slow down the spread even if efficacy varies based on type of mask. Would rather wear masks than have the shops and restaurants closed! I love browsing the shops even if I buy almost all my clothes online! For me, lockdown is really boring as there is only so many times you can walk through Highgate woods... Or go to the pet shop. Or go to the supermarket. It was one endless loop of boringness. I learnt during lockdown that I am 100% a city girl and what is a city if everything is closed?[/quote]
Oh God, me too! I think it was when I caught myself browsing the Sainsbury's Local vegetable aisle in March 2020 that I realised I am really not cut out for the good life.

Mind you, I'm jealous of Highgate Woods. We have the canal and an uninteresting park with Matt Hancock in it.

NannyAndJohn · 03/09/2021 23:44

[quote severelysound]**@NannyAndJohn* What if they pass it on to someone and they are more than "mildly unwell for a few days"?*

Then they are 'more than mildly unwell for a few days' now instead of 'more than mildly unwell for a few days' next month, or in December, or in August 2022...?

The people in hospital this very moment are people who didn't end up in hospital in October 2020 or May 2021 (when they were empty) because we'd forced one half of the country to stay at home and the other half to work providing services for them.

Kick the can, kick the can.... is the end of the road not vaccines, in your opinion? If it's not, what is? What change are you anticipating that will be good enough to stop us kicking the can, and more importantly - when is it coming? [/quote]
The people in hospital this very moment are people who didn't end up in hospital in October 2020 or May 2021 (when they were empty) because we'd forced one half of the country to stay at home and the other half to work providing services for them.

If we hadn't Locked Down then there wouldn't have been room in hospital for some of these people and they would have died a preventable death at home.

onlychildhamster · 04/09/2021 00:00

@NannyAndJohn I don't deny that lockdown was correct last year but covid is never going away. While living with it doesn't mean lifting all restrictions, it doesn't mean lockdown either. What the government should focus on is proper quarantine of the people who do have covid (financial assistance given if need be) rather than locking down the whole population. If we had done that properly in march 2020, maybe over 100k wouldn't have died and we would have had shorter lockdowns.

severelysound · 04/09/2021 00:02

@NannyAndJohn depends where you are in the country I guess but sure, very sad.

You didn't answer the question though. Do we keep kicking the can down the road or.....?

Jourdain11 · 04/09/2021 00:04

Is there a reason why Lock Down happens in capitals?

I mean, genuinely? Is this correct? I am not a native speaker so perhaps I do not understand Confused

severelysound · 04/09/2021 00:23

I mean holidays like Christmas and Easter are capitalised so I can see why some people might want to capitalise Lockdown Grin

No I'm joking. I think proper nouns are capitalised but there are certain rules which sometimes apply or not. So it's Monday but it's winter. I would have said no but....

Someone who's capitalising it I think could be thinking it's an 'event' type thing... eg
We learned about the Battle of Stirling Bridge today in school.

Or the Wars of the Roses.

The Gunpowder Plot.

Lock Down.

So yeah either accident (because it's probably wrong) or holiday (because they love it) or significant historical event (that should remain Firmly In History Grin....)

Wheresmybiscuit3 · 04/09/2021 01:10

No. It feels like we’ve just been prolonging the agony. We can’t outrun Covid. At some point everyone will have caught it either knowingly or unknowingly.

I’ll take sensible precautions with masks and hand hygiene and do what I can… but I am not staying home anymore.

LemonFrog · 04/09/2021 07:07

I wouldn't be complying anyway.

NothingIsWrong · 04/09/2021 07:27

Well, I would hope anyone working in something like social care or mental health would 100% insist on all family vacating whatever room they were working in.

You have no clue about the conditions that some people have to work in. You can't demand that people give up large areas of their home permanently. I can't ban my husband and kids from the kitchen for 8 hours a day, I can't tell my kids they can never have friends round. I don't work in an area where I'm discussing patient details etc but I do work on sensitive projects. I do my best but you think when I'm doing a 2 hour meeting, no one else should be allowed to get a drink?

PinkSparklyPussyCat · 04/09/2021 07:39

Well, I would hope anyone working in something like social care or mental health would 100% insist on all family vacating whatever room they were working in.

Well I don't work in either but even if I did what am I supposed to do, chuck DH out of his own home? That won't be happening. We have one living area where I work and one bedroom next door. Even if DH is in the bedroom he can hear my side of the calls, there's no way around it.

Companies (and certain posters on here) have to realise that not everyone has the set up to work from home. The guidance was always to work from home if you can, and a lot of people who need privacy for their jobs can't have it because of their living arrangements.

yellowdigsaur · 04/09/2021 07:56

@severelysound

The people in hospital this very moment are people who didn't end up in hospital in October 2020 or May 2021 (when they were empty) because we'd forced one half of the country to stay at home and the other half to work providing services for them.

Where's your source for hospitals being empty in October 2020 and May 2021 - I'd love to see the info. Clearly my hospital that was on black alert both months with an >50% increase in inpatient referrals from non covid years was just a bad nightmare after all. Or are you just making it up to suit your narrative?

Delatron · 04/09/2021 09:27

@severelysound you won’t get a answer from Nanny about when we stop kicking the can down the road. See my earlier post claiming it’s like getting blood out of a stone.

‘What would be the end goal of another lockdown?’ I’ve asked it over and over again. No answer. It’s a kind of crucial point to this discussion really. And if you’re arguing for further lockdowns yet you can’t expand your end goal then you’ve lost the argument.

Delatron · 04/09/2021 09:27

Explain.

NannyAndJohn · 04/09/2021 09:38

The end goal of a Lockdown is to get cases as low as possible (if you hadn't noticed, they are currently unmanageable), which reduces the pressure on the NHS, which in turn reduces the number of deaths.

Simple, don't you think?

Yet our government have managed to fuck it up every single time.

onlychildhamster · 04/09/2021 09:41

A Government spokesman said: “We will allow temporary powers in the Coronavirus Act to expire wherever possible, as we have at previous review points.

"However, it would be irresponsible to allow all temporary provisions to expire.

"Doing so would remove the government’s ability to protect renters from eviction, give sick pay to those self-isolating from day one, and direct schools to reopen where needed, for example.

"The British public would expect us to retain these powers in case they are needed through the winter."

The government has not confirmed which temporary provisions will be extended or when exactly a vote will take place

Well they are no longer denying lockdown might happen!