Are you letting child have the vaccine?

[GiveMeAUserName123]

I was just wondering if you have a child/ren between the ages of 12-16, that don’t have any medical conditions, or live with family members that are more at risk, will you be letting them have the vaccine?

My eldest will be turning 12 in the winter and I imagine will be given the choice to have it. I don’t think I want her too (I’ve had mine) but obviously it’s her body and her choice which is something that is held in high regard at home, so won’t voice against it, but if she does choose to have it, is she too young to decide something like this, as I’m not sure a child could really understand the full risk/benefit side of things.

How are you feeling about it in general?

As i have said (three times?) now, the clue is in your reply "except I don't"
AFTER we had clarified you didn't think it was a reason to not offer vaccination to all children.

@Kdubs1981

A lot of people saying they won't "let" their children have it. If they are Gillick competent they can have it with or without your permission

Well they can. But presumably most children will discuss this with their parents and have a chance to weigh up the pros and cons. Like mine have.

Ok @saltedcaramel87 there’s really no point in continuing this. I’ve broken it down for you as simply as I can. It does look like a reading/comprehension issue at your end and I’m afraid I can’t help you with that.

@bumbleymummy

Ok *@saltedcaramel87* there’s really no point in continuing this. I’ve broken it down for you as simply as I can. It does look like a reading/comprehension issue at your end and I’m afraid I can’t help you with that.

Again - good grief. You sneer and imply I'm stupid when it's you who who has wildly got this wrong. In a politer way than you did - I'll try one more time.

I clearly said, you kept bringing it up, which is why I thought it was another of your arguments, thank you for clarifying this isn't the case. - I understand that you don't think this is a reason to not offer vaccination to all children.

Your snipey reply to this was "Except I don't (keep bringing up the fact children should not be vaccinated", you lack basic intelligence.

I then replied with examples of you repeatedly bringing up your wildly exaggerated, hyperbolic claims of children being potentially discriminated against.

How on earth are you interpreting this so incorrectly?

@Kdubs1981

A lot of people saying they won't "let" their children have it. If they are Gillick competent they can have it with or without your permission

Yes, you'd hope that most are able to discuss this with parents, if only so that side effects can be monitored.

In the very very rare instance of myocarditis, it's always good to get a quick doctors opinion in case in turns out to not be the usual, mild, self limiting case.

Kdubs1981

A lot of people saying they won't "let" their children have it. If they are Gillick competent they can have it with or without your permission.

Hmmm, well actually I don't think so. Most schools need parental consent for vaccinations.

You can bang on about Gillick competence all you like but believe me, the school still inform and get consent from parents also. Not sure if this is to cover themselves as a school or to keep a good relationship between school and parents, but it happens.

@Peteycat

You can bang on about Gillick competence all you like but believe me, the school still inform and get consent from parents also. Not sure if this is to cover themselves as a school or to keep a good relationship between school and parents, but it happens.

To be fair the majority of parents would like their children vaccinated (@herecomesthsun posted some percentages a couple of pages ago)

And I wonder of the minority that don't, if it's really going to be a huge number of young teens who disagree with their parents. This idea of children going against parents opinions on vaccination might turn out to be a non issue.

Haven't heard of it being common with things like the HPV vaccine, but others might know more about it.

And I wonder of the minority that don't, if it's really going to be a huge number of young teens who disagree with their parents. This idea of children going against parents opinions on vaccination might turn out to be a non issue.

I think most teenagers will trust their parents judgement.

I missed the percentages where did that information come from?

I will encourage it, but consent will remain with them ( which I'm pretty sure will be given)

So I'm going to ask a hypothetical question here, say a teenager gives consent but the parents aren't informed /refused. If something happens ie a side effect /complication, who's responsible?

You’re twisting again @saltedcaramel87 Please refer to my PP ^

I think most teenagers will trust their parents judgement.

Probably. Although that doesn’t necessarily mean they’re making an informed decision.

That's true actually Bumbley mummy.

@Peteycat

And I wonder of the minority that don't, if it's really going to be a huge number of young teens who disagree with their parents. This idea of children going against parents opinions on vaccination might turn out to be a non issue.

I think most teenagers will trust their parents judgement.

I missed the percentages where did that information come from?

Yup that's what I'm saying - the numbers of children who disagree with their parents opinion of not wanting to be vaccinated is likely to be small?

And I wonder of the minority that don't, if it's really going to be a huge number of young teens who disagree with their parents. This idea of children going against parents opinions on vaccination might turn out to be a non issue.

Haven't heard of it being common with things like the HPV vaccine, but others might know more about it.

Parents appear much less concerned, with nine in ten saying they would definitely or probably vaccinate their children. Four per cent of parents of primary school pupil and 3 per cent in secondary schools would definitely not give their children a Covid jab, the Office for National Statistics found.

@Peteycat

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/most-parents-want-their-children-to-get-the-covid-vaccine-6sr0rz5qw

Worth noting the ONS survey that data comes from was conducted back in April and May, before the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine was given approval by the UK medicines regulator for children aged 12 to 15 (and before the new school term loomed).

So figures likely to be higher now.

22nd May - 21st June

“ Around 86% of parents of primary and secondary school children reported they would definitely or probably say yes to them having a COVID-19 vaccine. Around 4 in 10 primary school parents (40%) and over 5 in 10 secondary school parents (54%) would definitely want their child to have a COVID-19 vaccine. In comparison, 3% of primary school parents and 6% of secondary school parents said they would definitely not want their child to have a vaccine.”

www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/healthandsocialcare/conditionsanddiseases/articles/coronaviruscovid19latestinsights/vaccines

^that data comes from was conducted back in April and May, before the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine was given approval by the UK medicines regulator for children aged 12 to 15 (and before the new school term loomed).

So figures likely to be higher now.^

The above is a bit more recent and actually shows lower figures for secondary. Perhaps the reports of
myocarditis influenced people’s opinion?

Oops, forgot to upload graphic. Here you go…

I dont want mine to have it as I worry that they are more at risk from bad reactions from the vaccine than they are covid

Probably. Although that doesn’t necessarily mean they’re making an informed decision.

Do you think the school are going to make sure that children are actually aware of all the facts when assessing them for gillick competency?

The results of these surveys where apparently a large proportion of parents say they will vaccinate their dc really jar with my personal experience.

I know it's only my anecdotal evidence of one - but every single parent I've spoken to in rl has said they won't vaccinate. Family, friends, colleagues, school mums, majority of whom are double vaxxed themselves so definitely no generalised anti vax opinions going on. Must be 50 people at an estimate.

I do wonder if these surveys are less than accurate and purposely designed to encourage confidence and update in kids.

*uptake

Thankfully my kids are way too young for this but if they were in the age range no I wouldn't have them vaccinated for this. They have had all their regular ones + chicken pox but I wouldn't do this. Dh + me are vaxxed.

@WiltingWalli

The results of these surveys where apparently a large proportion of parents say they will vaccinate their dc really jar with my personal experience.

I know it's only my anecdotal evidence of one - but every single parent I've spoken to in rl has said they won't vaccinate. Family, friends, colleagues, school mums, majority of whom are double vaxxed themselves so definitely no generalised anti vax opinions going on. Must be 50 people at an estimate.

I do wonder if these surveys are less than accurate and purposely designed to encourage confidence and update in kids.

Same here. A GP school mum friend said she is 'waiting' to see the outcome first, she was one of the first people I asked how she felt about it - so its not all uneducated people feeling like this.

Its only on MN where see posters are chomping at the bit for their kids to have it

We are all vaxed, kids have all their childhood ones and they have the flu one every year too. Flu really takes its toll on little ones.

Who actually fills these surveys in though? I never do the Gov ones or ONS.