If you haven't been vaccinated (out of choice)

[Buzzinwithbez]

How 'safe' do you feel?

Are you minimising your potential risk of covid?

How different is your life now than in typical years to 2019?

I think I'm mainly curious about whether people's life is different anyway after the last 18 months....
I know mine is. I went shopping yesterday and struggled with the lighting, the lack of available seating etc ... And I'm unlikely to be keen for a repeat experience for a while, so the way I spend my time is likely to be a lot different anyway, without even taking covid itself into consideration...

Are differences because things are slow to start up? because you've formed new habits anyway? Out of not wanting to contract covid/have to isolate/anything else.

Well the thread is about choice!
And I don't think people are disputing the vaccine they are saying why they did not have it
Not everyone needs the vaccine yet they are being kinda forced into it which takes the choice away for some

"Not everyone needs the vaccine yet they are being kinda forced into it which takes the choice away for some"

So if many people decided not to, we won't be in this situation, we could have been in the similar situation like southern states of US atm, but that's ok, right? Someone else takes the risk for you to stop the spread but you have a choice not to, yet benefit from it.

Someone else takes the risk for you to stop the spread

No, people take the vaccine to reduce their own personal risk. I don’t want people to ‘take a risk’ that has no benefit to them.

@Aposterhasnoname it’s a very interesting link - I suspect that vaccine worry drives post vaccine anxiety and consequent seeking of reassurance from HCPs in some cases.

@illuyankas
No one is taking the risk for me
I've had covid!
I'm not vulnerable
I dont work with the vulnerable

Don't make out like everyone else is taking a risk to protect unvaccinated!! They are not! some will who have elderly relatives etc but the majority just do it because they don't want to get covid or want to travel etc etc
Everyone has their own reasons for the decision they make so let them make it

So if many people decided not to, we won't be in this situation, we could have been in the similar situation like southern states of US atm,

The surge in the southern states is happening at the exact same time as last year. In a few weeks, the epicenters will move to the more northern and western (and more vaccinated) states, just like last year. Who will be to blame then? Fully vaccinated people are catching it on droves, the statement "a pandemic of the unvaccinated" is a complete lie. Mrna vaccine efficacy is 6 months tops, as the numbers from Israel are showing.

I wouldn’t mind betting natural immunity lasts well over 6 months (probably a lifetime) which makes me so angry that having recovered from verified covid doesn’t qualify for any of the same ‘perks’ as vaccinated people. Nor is it recognised as having no need for a vaccine at all. I’d happily donate my dose to a person that needs it more, here or abroad but I’m not allowed that choice if I want to be able to travel and work with fewer limitations.

It’s ridiculous to ignore natural immunity.

I've chosen not to get vaccinated and I feel safe enough. Side note, I've been in close contact with covid+ people twice now and the two doubly vaccinated people with me caught the virus and I did not.

I feel no different having been vaccinated as I did before.

I feel quite worried. I’m pregnant and there a huge increase of pregnant women needing intensive care with COVID, or catching COVID and it ending up with premature birth.

I have health anxiety so I didn’t get it before now; and now I’m between a rock and a hard place. Knowing I needn’t get it to protect me and my child, but also my health anxiety feels like I’m walking into a brick wall when trying to convince myself to get it.

My DD goes to nursery and it always bringing home germs; so do I feel safe? Absolutely not.

@Lostinacloud

I wouldn’t mind betting natural immunity lasts well over 6 months (probably a lifetime) which makes me so angry that having recovered from verified covid doesn’t qualify for any of the same ‘perks’ as vaccinated people. Nor is it recognised as having no need for a vaccine at all. I’d happily donate my dose to a person that needs it more, here or abroad but I’m not allowed that choice if I want to be able to travel and work with fewer limitations.

It does. At least 9 months according to this:

www.hiqa.ie/sites/default/files/2021-06/Duration-of%20protective-immunity-evidence-summary_22-June-2021.pdf

It’s based on several different studies from lots of countries including the U.K.

A recent preprint from Sweden showed that immunity lasts for 12 months.

And I completely agree with you that previously infected people should be treated the same as vaccinated people. Previous infection is recognised on the ‘green-passes’ in other countries.

@bumbleymummy

Someone else takes the risk for you to stop the spread

No, people take the vaccine to reduce their own personal risk. I don’t want people to ‘take a risk’ that has no benefit to them.

I believe in choice but you don't get to dictate to others what they're reasons are for having a vaccine

@bumbleymummy

Someone else takes the risk for you to stop the spread

No, people take the vaccine to reduce their own personal risk. I don’t want people to ‘take a risk’ that has no benefit to them.

But whatever you look at it, people being vaccinated reduces your own personal risk, and improves things indirectly by reducing transmission which has allowed restrictions to be lifted.

As @sleepwouldbenice has said, it's everyone's choice, but it's ridiculous to imply you haven't benefitted from the majority taking up the vaccine.

Today's results of 700,000 Britons seem to show (as we thought) no difference in if you pass it on or not (other than the huge difference that the vaccinated are less likely to get it) and secondly that Pfizer is lastly hugely longer than AZ (although as AZ went to old people it is hard to distinguish whether that is due to age profile or to the AZ/Pfizer differences).

@xoJellyBean

I've chosen not to get vaccinated and I feel safe enough. Side note, I've been in close contact with covid+ people twice now and the two doubly vaccinated people with me caught the virus and I did not.

Same here. My DD had it and we isolated with her for 10 days. I didn't get it (pregnant and unvaccinated) and neither did DH (double jabbed).

DD's dad did get it (double jabbed, very fit and healthy) and was rough for 5 days.

I’m still waiting for the trial to end in 2023
Before deciding
I’ve never felt unsafe and I’ve never worried about catching covid
I’ve lived my life as normal all the way through and will
Continue to do so and so have my family
If something is open and I want to use tha facility I will

We all need to take responsibility for our own lives and health
Like we always have

@shewalkslikerihanna

I’m still waiting for the trial to end in 2023 Before deciding I’ve never felt unsafe and I’ve never worried about catching covid I’ve lived my life as normal all the way through and will Continue to do so and so have my family If something is open and I want to use tha facility I will

We all need to take responsibility for our own lives and health
Like we always have

The phase III studies have been completed for safety and efficacy, this is how the vaccines were authorised for use.

For example: www.pfizer.com/news/press-release/press-release-detail/pfizer-and-biontech-conclude-phase-3-study-covid-19-vaccine

As per any new vaccine or drug, there is ongoing follow up and trials in various subgroups

By all means wait and don't get vaccinated but this is something that is causing a lot of confusion

Covid unvaccinated and definitely not an anti vaxxer but nothing has changed for me. I feel safe but I see how many vaccinated are getting covid worse than natural covid and periods problems wow. I’m healthy, fertile and period regular down to the day and hour and I’m in the 40’s.

I’m likely to die of something far worse than covid or an accident and I am doing all the stuff I’ve done before with no fear.

Friends and family both unvaxed and vaxxed. We respect each other. I’m quite happy to have the vaccine once trials are over for long term effects etc. I’m not taking part now.

No confusion here
It says on their website 2023
So that’s good enough for me

@shewalkslikerihanna

I’m still waiting for the trial to end in 2023 Before deciding I’ve never felt unsafe and I’ve never worried about catching covid I’ve lived my life as normal all the way through and will Continue to do so and so have my family If something is open and I want to use tha facility I will

We all need to take responsibility for our own lives and health
Like we always have

What do you think would have happened if we had all waited?

What do you think would have happened if we had all waited?

Why would vulnerable people who are at high risk of hospitalisation/death from the virus wait?

@Chippingbird23
So agree
Plus the death and serious side effects on the bears/ yellow card scheme certainly makes me think once twice and thrice

I’ve lived my life , never had covid
Any serious side effect would have a tremendous impact on my life
I look after my immune system
I’ll wait

@Parker231
You had the same choice as we all did

@bumbleymummy

What do you think would have happened if we had all waited?

Why would vulnerable people who are at high risk of hospitalisation/death from the virus wait?

Again, this isn't what was asked and is rathe disingenuous answer.

If only people who were very high risk of COVID had chosen to be vaccinated, it would have led to substantial more death (not just due to COVID - if you have any kind of non-COVID emergency which requires ICU you would have been in trouble), disability, and requirement of lockdown restrictions.

We likely would have had more emergent variants of concern, and seeing the damage delta has done, even without being immune-escape, this is a very good thing.

Do vulnerable people at high risk not fall into the category of all?

If only people who were very high risk of COVID had chosen to be vaccinated, it would have led to substantial more death

Nope. The top 9 priority groups accounted for ~99% of deaths according to JCVI