Finally! Sussex University offers £5000 prize to vaccinated!

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Good on them. Hope all other universities follow suit.

www.theguardian.com/education/2021/aug/07/sussex-university-offers-5000-prize-for-vaccinated-students-coronavirus

As I said in my full post (of which you've picked out a select quotation but this seems to be your modus operandi ), we haven't had a pandemic of this scale in our lifetime.

Oh stop with your modus operandi nonsense. I simply quoted the part I was commenting on. And you weren’t specifically referring to this pandemic, you said an uncontrolled pandemic which is why I picked up on it.

I’m not trying to minimise this pandemic or say it’s anything like swine flu. Just pointing out that the things you mentioned are not necessarily a part of every pandemic.

Your saying a few pages back that vaccine passports would reduce transmissions. You are clearly for them. So I stated they are a must in your world, because that is what I read from your posts. Tell me I'm wrong?

You are adamant that will end it all. Vaccine passports. Well it won't.

@Peteycat

Your saying a few pages back that vaccine passports would reduce transmissions. You are clearly for them. So I stated they are a must in your world, because that is what I read from your posts. Tell me I'm wrong?

As I literally just posted, this was my reply on vaccine passports after you said they would not reduce transmission, they were just a means of control:

Vaccinated people are less likely to transmit the virus. Therefore vaccination passports will reduce transmission. Whether the benefits of this strategy outweigh the negatives is up for debate, but it's ridiculous to state otherwise.

@Peteycat

You are adamant that will end it all. Vaccine passports. Well it won't.

Good grief

But it's ridiculous to state otherwise. Says who, you?

@Peteycat

But it's ridiculous to state otherwise. Says who, you?

Sigh.

It is ridiculous to state they have no impact on transmission. This was in response to you claiming they would have no impact on this and are just being used as a means of control.

Well only time will tell. They said testing was a means of control. Now its vaccine passports. What's next?

@Walkingbacktohappiness I’ve never been in Sussex university but my experience with other university lecture halls has been that they are usually quite large for the number of people using them, students tend to spread out and sit away from the lecturer (who usually stays at the front rather than mingling around among the students except in practicals etc). It’s not really the same risk as a classroom.

Vaccine passports won’t help stop transmission. They’re being used to exempt people from testing even though they could still be carrying and transmitting the virus to others.

@bumbleymummy

Vaccine passports won’t help stop transmission. They’re being used to exempt people from testing even though they could still be carrying and transmitting the virus to others.

I'm not sure how you can argue that immunity or vaccine passports won't reduce transmission. This the classic false dichotomy that if it isn't 100% effective then it's useless.

Immunity passports give options that will reduce the chance of transmission occurring and I'm not sure why you're trying to twist it into meaning they will actually increase it. Yes, you could say both testing and vaccination are required, and maybe the UK will go that way, but for other countries they are happy with the overall reduction in risk of vaccine status alone.

What do you know that has somehow escaped all the scientists and policymakers globally who have implemented them?

[quote bumbleymummy]@Walkingbacktohappiness I’ve never been in Sussex university but my experience with other university lecture halls has been that they are usually quite large for the number of people using them, students tend to spread out and sit away from the lecturer (who usually stays at the front rather than mingling around among the students except in practicals etc). It’s not really the same risk as a classroom.[/quote]
Have been a student in and taught in many different types of lecture hall. Clearly it depends on the space available and the popularity of the course/university. I have been in spaces where students were sitting on the stairs through lack of space.

Your experience does not mean that university spaces are not the same risk as a classroom.

Strange

Foliage everywhere, do you want another lockdown by any chance? You do know you can have your own if you want to? Your arguing with everything people are saying. She clearly states she hasn't been to Sussex University. She's just trying to highlight that it should be fine.

The irony of you!

Your experience doesn't mean the hall will be cramped either!

@Peteycat

Foliage everywhere, do you want another lockdown by any chance? You do know you can have your own if you want to? Your arguing with everything people are saying. She clearly states she hasn't been to Sussex University. She's just trying to highlight that it should be fine.

The irony of you!

I don't understand where these leaps of logic are coming from. No, obviously I don't want another lockdown, and suppression measures are key in terms of preventing that happening.

@bumbleymummy stated at other lecture halls there's a lot of space so she doesn't see it being the same risk as a classroom. I pointed out that that is not necessarily the experience of all students in all universities, and certainly hasn't been mine.

I don't think you understand that reasonable measures to minimise spread like encouraging vaccination are what has allowed us to open up, and will prevent further lockdown.

I think that's your opinion foliage. It's not fact.

What if someone said they were UN reasonable measures? You would oppose. Well, thank goodness for free speech.

The way you speak quote "I don't think you understand..." so patronising.

I'm not sure how you can argue that immunity or vaccine passports won't reduce transmission. This the classic false dichotomy that if it isn't 100% effective then it's useless.

Ok, firstly, I didn’t mention immunity. An unvaccinated person may be immune but atm they still have to test. Secondly, I’m not saying that ‘it’s useless’, I’m saying that it doesn’t guarantee that someone is immune so we shouldn’t be assuming that they are and exempting them from testing/isolation etc as the passport currently allows. Exempting potentially infectious people from testing allows transmission to occur where testing would not.

Other countries also include proof of recovery from infection as proof of immunity.

@Foliageeverywhere122 yes, some classes may be more popular than others but, in general, I do not think lecturers are as ‘up close and personal’ with their students compared to a teacher and the rooms do tend to be bigger.

University these days as much/more about seminars and workshops, so really pretty comparable to a classroom situation, except that in unis they'll be composed of groups who are in shared houses/halls etc and will recently have travelled from their homes to mix with lots of new people. Previous experience with meningitis shows much a virus can transmit in such situations.

@Peteycat

The way you speak quote "I don't think you understand..." so patronising.

It's difficult @Peteycat when you're accusing me of wilder and wilder things that I never said on this or other threads

@Peteycat

The way you speak quote "I don't think you understand..." so patronising.

You were calling someone ‘dear’ earlier in the thread so you really, REALLY don’t have a leg to stand on when it comes to complaining about being patronised.

Walkingbacktohappiness I agree with you in principle. However this proposal does stick in my throat a little. As a casual worker, having been laid off in every lockdown without Furlough by the University I work for, yet expected to cover staff holiday and sickness (while not getting any entitlement myself) seeing this kind of money thrown around is quite a hard pill to swallow...

Foliage everywhere, I'm sure in rl life you are a really nice person. I just think you have a false sense of security with data and science.