Finally! Sussex University offers £5000 prize to vaccinated!

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Good on them. Hope all other universities follow suit.

www.theguardian.com/education/2021/aug/07/sussex-university-offers-5000-prize-for-vaccinated-students-coronavirus

No-one has freedom in an uncontrolled pandemic, it impacts on every aspect of life hence why measures such as vaccination (which you don't need to have), mask, lockdowns, immunity passports were taken up globally.

Hmmm… we didn’t have masks/lockdowns/immunity passports for the swine flu pandemic.

Why can't they find 5k for -
Non smokers
Healthy weight
Adequate exercise
People avoiding carcinogenic food (processed meat)

Yes yes I know it's a goady question but if a severely obese 18 year old smoker who lives on bacon and sausages wins 5k for a double vaccine status the worlds gone mad

@bumbleymummy

No-one has freedom in an uncontrolled pandemic, it impacts on every aspect of life hence why measures such as vaccination (which you don't need to have), mask, lockdowns, immunity passports were taken up globally.

Hmmm… we didn’t have masks/lockdowns/immunity passports for the swine flu pandemic.

As I said in my full post (of which you've picked out a select quotation but this seems to be your modus operandi ), we haven't had a pandemic of this scale in our lifetime.

Swine flu is not comparable to the current situation. I don't understand how after living through the last 18 months, and seeing the consequences of uncontrolled transmission, you're banging on and attempting to minimise the impact of coronavirus.

@bumbleymummy

No-one has freedom in an uncontrolled pandemic, it impacts on every aspect of life hence why measures such as vaccination (which you don't need to have), mask, lockdowns, immunity passports were taken up globally.

Hmmm… we didn’t have masks/lockdowns/immunity passports for the swine flu pandemic.

The swine flu pandemic in the UK was milder than expected, probably because of pre-existing immunity. It’s possible targeted use of masks might have been helpful but it certainly didn’t need lockdowns or vaccine passports to get it under control. I wish covid had turned out to be as easy to deal with.

@1940s

Why can't they find 5k for - Non smokers Healthy weight Adequate exercise People avoiding carcinogenic food (processed meat)

Yes yes I know it's a goady question but if a severely obese 18 year old smoker who lives on bacon and sausages wins 5k for a double vaccine status the worlds gone mad

This literally makes no sense.

You're suggesting running a raffle of which non-smoking, non obese, exercising people can enter, and potentially win 5000 grand? And then presumably you think winning this prize means they'll continue with the healthy lifestyle they pretended to have?

A huge amount of money goes into public health campaigns targeting these areas. It's not a choice between a raffle for vaccination or healthy eating & nutrition classes.

@1940s

Why can't they find 5k for - Non smokers Healthy weight Adequate exercise People avoiding carcinogenic food (processed meat)

Yes yes I know it's a goady question but if a severely obese 18 year old smoker who lives on bacon and sausages wins 5k for a double vaccine status the worlds gone mad

I don’t so much think your question is goady as that it misses the point about what a 5k raffle prize can achieve. The things you mention would be excellent as lifestyle changes to prevent death by covid and other things but they are major changes that take a lot of effort to make to your life. Getting a jab is far more quick and simple so it’s far more likely that people who mean to but haven’t got round to it might be motivated by it. If you could motivate a severely obese smoker to turn their life around merely on the promise of a raffle ticket it would be wonderful, but I also think if it was that easy it would have been tried.

Yes. Yes I do have freedom. I will always have freedom. I choose to. I also choose to defend the freedoms of those who can't speak up. Children, animals the vulnerable.

Who are YOU to say I don't have freedom??!

Foliage everywhere... Are you a scientist? I'm not, I don't pretend to be. I just use that ancient tool we were given. Gut feeling.

1940s you are so right. The key to public health is looking deeper into these issues you have raised.

The consequences of 'uncontrolled transmission', whatever you interpret that to mean....yeah that's children with major issues now, lonely people and vulnerable isolated elderly.

There's more going on than a virus... Domestic abuse, violence child abuse. No animal charities working at full capacity. The knock on effect we will see for years to come sadly.

"A long, tedious speech by one person during a conversation".

That is the definition of the word monologue. According to Oxford Languages.

I did not complain that nobody replied. I said no one answered my question about carers.

As the over-50 partner of an over-50 Sussex lecturer, I was incredibly happy to hear about this initiative.

Whilst I do sympathise with students over their experience over the last year, I also see the other side: the many hours of extra prep, the hours spent on one-to-one calls or Zoom sessions with worried students, the stress over maintaining student satisfaction, the promotions with no pay-rises and the worry over university finances and thus jobs. (Universities have had no extra cash from the government, and have lost millions in income, only to be bashed and told that students shouldn't have to pay their fees in full, even though outgoings remain the same.)

University staff are heading back to work face to face at Sussex in September (not all unis are planning on doing lectures face to face) and many of them are in the more vulnerable age groups. There is no legal mask mandate and universities don't have the money to add new ventilation systems or build bigger spaces. Students will be arriving from all over the country and socialising and sharing spaces with others, creating a potential viral explosion. Encouraging them to be double-jabbed will mean they are more likely to have continuous face to face teaching, there will be less self-isolating and staff will have less chance of being ill and spreading the virus to others. What's bad about that?

No one, Foliage everywhere, is trying to minimise the effects of coronavirus or the pandemic. We have all felt its presence.

People are now questioning how to move forward.

If the government thought it was that bad. Universities schools and colleges would still be closed.

@Peteycat

If the government thought it was that bad. Universities schools and colleges would still be closed.

eh? Universities are currently on holiday, as are schools and colleges.

Thanks to the impact of vaccination we were able reopen last term, and plans are going ahead for September.

@Peteycat

No one, Foliage everywhere, is trying to minimise the effects of coronavirus or the pandemic. We have all felt its presence.

People are now questioning how to move forward.

Uhuh, and one way to successfully move forwards without going backwards is to encourage vaccination.

Comments comparing this situation to swine flu, saying vaccine passports would have no impact on transmission, and it could have be dealt with simply by symptomatic people staying at home, suggest that yes you are minimising coronavirus and don't have a great understanding.

Alongside all your misinformation and scaremongering about the vaccines

I'm not scaremongering. It's safer to wait for young people and children.

You state things as facts but it's only your opinion that vaccine passports will reduce transmission. Where is your evidence? Do you have inside knowledge?

It's only your opinion that moving forwards is via vaccination. Where is your evidence? Do you have inside knowledge?

Yes I'm fully aware that all education settings are closed for summer. They were open though only two weeks ago, since March I think fully. That's nothing to do with the uptake of vaccines. That was a load of reasons heaped together, mainly the pure fact that the kids needed to go back.

@Peteycat

I'm not scaremongering. It's safer to wait for young people and children.

You state things as facts but it's only your opinion that vaccine passports will reduce transmission. Where is your evidence? Do you have inside knowledge?

It's only your opinion that moving forwards is via vaccination. Where is your evidence? Do you have inside knowledge?

Yes I'm fully aware that all education settings are closed for summer. They were open though only two weeks ago, since March I think fully. That's nothing to do with the uptake of vaccines. That was a load of reasons heaped together, mainly the pure fact that the kids needed to go back.

Jesus wept.

Vaccinated people are less likely to transmit the virus. Therefore vaccination passports will reduce transmission. Whether the benefits of this strategy outweigh the negatives is up for debate, but it's ridiculous to state otherwise.

It's only your opinion that moving forwards is via vaccination. Where is your evidence?
If you think this is only my opinion, then I don't know what to say really. The world's experts, who know far more than you or I given their decades of experience in epidemiology and virology, have repeatedly explained why vaccination of the general population is the most viable exit strategy for the pandemic.

They were open though only two weeks ago, since March I think fully. That's nothing to do with the uptake of vaccines. That was a load of reasons heaped together, mainly the pure fact that the kids needed to go back.

What do you think has slowed the rise in cases, serious illness, hospitalisations and deaths if not vaccination?

I do follow epidemiologists, scientists and intelligent people. Just the right ones.

@Peteycat

I do follow epidemiologists, scientists and intelligent people. Just the right ones.

No credible epidemiologists or other scientists with relevant expertise is suggesting that vaccination of the general population is unnecessary

Feel free to provide names if you think otherwise

I think less people are testing now. That is why the cases have dropped. You see, alot of people are starting to realise that we cannot continue like this forever.

You treat me as if I'm an imbecile. I'm really not. I just know that a totalitarian approach to vaccination is a very slippery slope.

The definition of "credible" being: 1) relevant expertise and experience in a relevant field and, 2) views based on robust evidence

@Peteycat

I think less people are testing now. That is why the cases have dropped. You see, alot of people are starting to realise that we cannot continue like this forever.

You treat me as if I'm an imbecile. I'm really not. I just know that a totalitarian approach to vaccination is a very slippery slope.

No one is arguing for a totalitarian approach to vaccination. They're arguing against your misinformation about vaccination and coronavirus.

What's happened to altruism? I know 16-year-olds in Manchester who were having the vaccine last month purely because it was available and they thought it was the right thing to do. Offering inducements to the reluctant or just -can't-be-bothered isn't a good look. If the money's going spare surely there are plenty of more deserving candidates.

Yea but people like you are totalitarian. Your saying that vaccine passports are a must in your world. Soo.. Yes I believe that you are arguing For everyone to be vaccinated including the children and adolescents.

I agree do penguins dance. Thank you.

@Peteycat

Yea but people like you are totalitarian. Your saying that vaccine passports are a must in your world. Soo.. Yes I believe that you are arguing For everyone to be vaccinated including the children and adolescents.

At no point have I said vaccine passports are "a must in my world". I replied to your post saying they would have no impact on transmission and are just a means of controlling, literally saying:

Vaccinated people are less likely to transmit the virus. Therefore vaccination passports will reduce transmission. Whether the benefits of this strategy outweigh the negatives is up for debate, but it's ridiculous to state otherwise.

And I'm not sure how you have extrapolated this to mean I think all teenagers and adolescents to be vaccinated. I've simply said a raffle prize is not financial coercion to have it done, it's just an incentive for those who are currently ambivalent.