Finally! Sussex University offers £5000 prize to vaccinated!

[Itsprobablynotcominghome]

Good on them. Hope all other universities follow suit.

www.theguardian.com/education/2021/aug/07/sussex-university-offers-5000-prize-for-vaccinated-students-coronavirus

@Peteycat

It is shocking that the vaccine passports are even a thing now.

No I don't think vaccine passports have a role to play in reducing transmission at all. Do you want to live like this forever? Do you want to live a life governed by scientists, governed by an app on your phone? I certainly don't and won't.

Yes, I don't mind at all. And patronising people attempting to foment unrest on a parenting website won't change my mind.

@Haywirecity the problem is that being vaccinated doesn’t guarantee that you’re not a risk to others. If you’re worried about the consequences of the virus circulating in a bar/club/restaurant/theme park etc then the logical thing to do is test everyone not exempt vaccinated people when they can still carry and transmit the virus.

They should just give out free crap at the freshers fair to the vaccinated, we'd have done anything for a free pencil, mug and beer voucher at Bar One!

This seems wrong to me. You shouldn't put financial pressure on people to take an injection they are hesitant about.

I'm double vaccinated. I'd encourage others to be vaccinated but this makes me very uncomfortable.

[quote bumbleymummy]@Haywirecity the problem is that being vaccinated doesn’t guarantee that you’re not a risk to others. If you’re worried about the consequences of the virus circulating in a bar/club/restaurant/theme park etc then the logical thing to do is test everyone not exempt vaccinated people when they can still carry and transmit the virus.[/quote]
No one has said vaccination prevents you being a "risk to others", however the risk is reduced. A groups of vaccinated people will have lower rates of transmission than a group of unvaccinated.

This false dichotomy being bandied around (about so many coronavirus related things) needs to stop.

Haven't seen any policy guaranteeing all the scenarios you're postulating. Exemption of vaccinated people in certain scenarios (e.g., isolation) carries benefits for the population and the economy, hence why it's being considered.

@RevelWithRebels

This seems wrong to me. You shouldn't put financial pressure on people to take an injection they are hesitant about.

I'm double vaccinated. I'd encourage others to be vaccinated but this makes me very uncomfortable.

How is it financial pressure? It's effectively a raffle.

They are not being paid to be vaccinated, nor fined for not doing so. It's literally just an opportunity to get a prize, if you are so inclined.

[quote bumbleymummy]@Haywirecity the problem is that being vaccinated doesn’t guarantee that you’re not a risk to others. If you’re worried about the consequences of the virus circulating in a bar/club/restaurant/theme park etc then the logical thing to do is test everyone not exempt vaccinated people when they can still carry and transmit the virus.[/quote]
No, it doesn't guarantee that won't you pass it on but it a) reduces the chance of passing it on, and b) reduces the chance if anyone contracting whilst at the club of passing ut on, and c) reduces the risk of either yourself or the person you infected of being ill or dying.

TBH, it's a cumulative,and circular effect of more people having the vaccine. If you're double vaxed, the less likely they are to get covid. If you do get it, the likely you are to have a high viral load, so the less likely you are to pass it on. And if you're double vaxed, the less likely you are to catch it in the first place.

@Foliageeverywhere122 reduced risk doesn’t mean no risk so I stand by my point.

Martian,

“ If you do get it, the likely you are to have a high viral load, so the less likely you are to pass it on.”

Recent studies from cdc and PHE have called this into question with evidence showing that transmission from infected vaccinated people is not significantly different to transmission from unvaccinated people.

Nope @bumbleymummy

Those studies were not attempting to quantify transmission. They demonstrated, that at a single point in time, viral load was not substantially different between infected vaccinated and unvaccinated people.

The authors were careful to point out this does not translate into "no difference in transmission", and that it is important to examine this trend longitudinally. Vaccinated people are likely to clear the virus quicker, for example.

“This means that whilst vaccination may reduce an individual’s overall risk of becoming infected, once they are infected there is limited difference in viral load (and Ct values) between those who are vaccinated and unvaccinated. Given they have similar Ct values, this suggests limited difference in infectiousness”

Similar findings to cdc by PHE.

assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1009243/Technical_Briefing_20.pdf

@bumbleymummy. Apologies I had read other info from research labs in a few universities which quoted re viral load, but I think you're quite right that we should put more credence in what the cdc say and you're right that the viral load is the same. And I was wrong. 😔 Here's from their website...

In contrast, the Delta variant seems to produce the same high amount of virus in both unvaccinated and fully vaccinated people. However, like other variants, the amount of virus produced by Delta breakthrough infections in fully vaccinated people also goes down faster than infections in unvaccinated people. This means fully vaccinated people are likely infectious for less time than unvaccinated people.

So the good news is the load is the same but for less time. So in a way my idea that more people vaccinated, the less it will be transmitted still holds true. 😃 This must be a happy situation - we're both right!! 🥳

@Martianworld

Although this still means that if an infected vaccinated person ends up in a club/restaurant/theme park they could be transmitting the virus to others - hence why I don’t think they should be exempt from testing.

You’d think potentially saving a life would be enough motivation.
This is such a waste of money.

Where has anyone on this thread said vaccinated people should be exempt from testing?

It's a thread about a raffle prize for those that get vaccinated.

[quote bumbleymummy]@Martianworld

Although this still means that if an infected vaccinated person ends up in a club/restaurant/theme park they could be transmitting the virus to others - hence why I don’t think they should be exempt from testing.[/quote]
I'm happy for them to be tested. But the more that are vaccinated, the less positive results there'll be from that testing, and surely that's what we're aiming for. TBH, I don't do clubs anymore, but I'd be happy to be tested in cinema foyer. Wouldn't bother me at all.

@Foliageeverywhere122

Where has anyone on this thread said vaccinated people should be exempt from testing?

It's a thread about a raffle prize for those that get vaccinated.

Irt vaccine passports.

Yes. People did spread bugs and as I previously said, if you are SYMPTOMATIC stay at home.

I was always the first person to say go home to sniffling sneezes. I understand how a virus spreads.

No one has replied with a credible answer re carers. Why should young women have their fertility compromised over a job? Oh, and BTW I'm not causing unrest or whatever it is you want to brandish me with. I'm speaking out for people who can't or won't for themselves.

If anybody is unsure what I mean regarding women's fertility, just Google mumsnet vaccine periods. You will see pages and pages.

If you don't know what im trying to say, then why have you wrote a paragraph objecting my point.

But @bumbleymummy the passports are for what other countries require for you to enter. Same as some want yellow fever etc. No one has to travel if they don't want to, but if you do want to, you have to obey the laws the destination country sets.

It’s not the same as yellow fever at all. YF has a much higher CFR, few countries require it for entry and people in those countries don’t need to produce YF certification to eat in bars/restaurants or visit museums etc.

Wavy purple, it's not as clear cut as saving a life. What if these young people die or get seriously ill from a vaccine they didn't need? What then? Long term effects?

@Peteycat you have certainly been taken all by all the anti-vaccine, COVID minimising nonsense rife on social media. "Doing your own research" is not the same thing as having decades of experience in science and epidemiology.

A very brief fact check of your posts on this thread...

Nobody should be paid to have a medical procedure.This is truly disgusting. The injections are still in clinical trials but there are people frothing at the mouth for the younger generation to have this trial drug
Not a medical procedure, not a trial drug. Long term follow up is normal procedure and not something to be scared of.

Im upset that young people now need a health passport to get into venues from September. Do you honestly think that is OK? You didn't have to do that in your youth, so why should they?
It's not a health passport, it's specific to coronavirus. You didn't have to do it in your youth because there wasn't a pandemic of the scale of coronavirus. Nothing has actually been confirmed re: passports for domestic use, but it has already been stated you can self-exempt.

Have you looked at the yellow card reports? I'm not trying to scare people. I'm saying stop and think first.
Yellow card reporting is used to alert researchers to side effects that need further investigation as to whether they might be caused by the vaccines, it is not an indication of causality it it's own right. If you did a survey asking millions of people in 2018 if they'd had any random symptoms in the last 6 weeks, you'd also get a lot of reports.

No I don't think vaccine passports have a role to play in reducing transmission at all. Do you want to live like this forever? Do you want to live a life governed by scientists, governed by an app on your phone?
Vaccines passports for coronavirus would reduce transmission, hence why they're being used globally.

What would help reduce transmissions is if people who were symptomatic stayed at home. It's what we did for years and it worked fine before this situation.
Again, we haven't been in this situation before (in our lifetime). Asymptomatic and presymptomatic transmission occurs.

No one has replied with a credible answer re carers. Why should young women have their fertility compromised over a job?
Many people replied explaining this is not a novel concept, vaccination is often required for certain roles in healthcare. There is no evidence (nor plausible mechanism) for the vaccines to impact on fertility, but it is a common anti-vaxxer scaremongering tactic used regarding vaccination in general.

If anybody is unsure what I mean regarding women's fertility, just Google mumsnet vaccine periods.
Changes to the menstrual cycle are common in response to vaccination or infection. Changes to the menstrual cycle do not equate to changes in fertility. I would advise you to do some reading that isn't exclusively mumsnet or facebook if you're interested.

Oh I read. Extensively. I also look back to learn so we can move forward. I'm glad you took time to complete a monologue for me. However, it doesn't change anything for me.

I grew up to believe freedom is everything as is choice. Subjugation just isn't my thing.

Oh and just because someone doesn't agree with you does not mean that they read social media. I actually don't have it! Only mumsnet.

People speak out when they feel like something isn't quite right. You should be grateful for them.

@Peteycat

Oh I read. Extensively. I also look back to learn so we can move forward. I'm glad you took time to complete a monologue for me. However, it doesn't change anything for me.

I grew up to believe freedom is everything as is choice. Subjugation just isn't my thing.

Oh and just because someone doesn't agree with you does not mean that they read social media. I actually don't have it! Only mumsnet.

People speak out when they feel like something isn't quite right. You should be grateful for them.

Why should we be grateful to you for regurgitating absolute twaddle?

I am grateful for the intelligent, educated people who have put real effort and knowledge into dealing with this situation by developing an effective vaccine in record time.

@Peteycat

Oh I read. Extensively. I also look back to learn so we can move forward. I'm glad you took time to complete a monologue for me. However, it doesn't change anything for me.

I grew up to believe freedom is everything as is choice. Subjugation just isn't my thing.

Oh and just because someone doesn't agree with you does not mean that they read social media. I actually don't have it! Only mumsnet.

People speak out when they feel like something isn't quite right. You should be grateful for them.

I think you'll find a "monologue" isn't when you reply to someones (multiple) statements. You have no comment on any of my replies- before you were complaining no-one had responded?

I'm not sure where you're doing your reading but I'd suggest branching.

No-one has freedom in an uncontrolled pandemic, it impacts on every aspect of life hence why measures such as vaccination (which you don't need to have), mask, lockdowns, immunity passports were taken up globally.