Finally! Sussex University offers £5000 prize to vaccinated!

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Good on them. Hope all other universities follow suit.

www.theguardian.com/education/2021/aug/07/sussex-university-offers-5000-prize-for-vaccinated-students-coronavirus

It is most definitely a trial drug dear. Until 2023.

You show me government legislation that states it isn't. Its been passed for emergency use.

@Peteycat

Nobody should be paid to have a medical procedure.

This is truly disgusting. The injections are still in clinical trials but there are people frothing at the mouth for the younger generation to have this trial drug. Please think about what you are saying.

The irony of "please think about what you are saying" when you have swallowed the anti-vaccine claptrap about drug trials etc.

I believe there was some research in the US that found lottery tickets were the best incentive for people to take up vaccination. The speculated that people who felt the risk of vaccine was high also felt chance of a lottery win was likely.
I think it's understandable that young people don't feel they urgently need to vaccinate as risk of covid to them is low, incentives to add urgency to the situation seem reasonable.

The irony??!

I'm not an anti vaxxer. It's just that I thought we lived in a place where you have choice. This should be a choice, if it's so important and necessary then ask yourself why the younger generation are being bribed.

Are you going to be responsible if it all goes wrong? There is no compensation or help if the injection causes long term side effects. Will you be willing to deal with that to a generation of twenty somethings?

I cannot believe that people are giving up their freedom so easily.

Im upset that young people now need a health passport to get into venues from September. Do you honestly think that is OK? You didn't have to do that in your youth, so why should they?

In general

Phase 1 : 10s -occasionally low 100s of people
Phase 2 : 100s people
Phase 3 : sometimes up to 10 000s people ( in large, multi-centre, often international trials)

Covid vaccine double dosed (U.K. only):
39 500 000 people

This has been authorised by the UK regulator, following completion of extensive trials. The threshold for safety and efficacy being set extremely high.

The only reason it is not formally licensed is because we are in the middle of a pandemic, so there are differences around liabilities the manufacturers and sponsors have to take.

The level of scientific rigour and the medical standards this drug is held to are no different than any other drug.

Anyone who tries to blithely claim this drug is still in a clinical trial is being deliberately misleading, misrepresenting information for the purposes of scaring others, and an out-and-out anti-vaxxer.

Have you looked at the yellow card reports? I'm not trying to scare people. I'm saying stop and think first. The injection should be offered. If people want it great, up to them. This bullying narrative is awful. The emotional blackmail, bribery. If this was a relationship everyone on mumsnet would be saying LTB.

What about those that are already vaccinated, also where is the money coming from as universities are always pleading poverty.

Those already vaccinated are included.
It's a drop in the ocean compared to the impact of covid outbreaks, yet a large enough sum to make a difference to a young person. In the overall budget of a university £5k is nothing. ( The vice chancellor of Sussex is paid £306000 a year).

I think all unis should do it. I like the idea that it includes everyone so doesn't exclude those who were responsible enough to have their vaccine early. Just a nudge for those who didn't get around to it.

I'm no longer responding to batshit anti vaxxers.

If one fewer student drops out as a consequence of there being less of an outbreak because more people are vaccinated that will cover it. Just one!

@Peteycat

Have you looked at the yellow card reports? I'm not trying to scare people. I'm saying stop and think first. The injection should be offered. If people want it great, up to them. This bullying narrative is awful. The emotional blackmail, bribery. If this was a relationship everyone on mumsnet would be saying LTB.

They can LTB if they want. They don't even need to take up with the bastard. It's their choice. These university attenders are the cleverest people in the country. At 18 they can get married, have children, choose a government, drive a lethal weapon, fight and die for their country. Surely they can make a decision whether to have a vaccine or not?

I used to work in a job where I had to have a few vaccinations, non negotiable. I have the intelligence to weigh up whether the job was worth having the vaccines. Give the same credit to these people. If they're persuaded by a pint of beer, a lottery ticket or a £5000 raffle, they're obviously not that anti it, are they?

It’s my understanding that intention to have the jab is very high among students but it hasn’t translated to their making appointments, which suggests there’s a lot of not getting round to it.

Or maybe, as intelligent people, they’ve figured that if they say they intend to get it people don’t label them as ‘anti-vaxx’ and lump them in with conspiracy theorists.

Yes, it’s entirely possible the research into vaccine intentions is flawed because people feel inhibited from expressing their true feelings due to social pressure. Kind of ‘shy vaccine hesitant’ similar to the ‘shy Tory’ effect seen at recent elections.

@bumbleymummy

Or maybe, as intelligent people, they’ve figured that if they say they intend to get it people don’t label them as ‘anti-vaxx’ and lump them in with conspiracy theorists.

Shocking. Can’t believe we’re resorting to bribery and coercion.

If they're not intending to get the vaccine, then they're not being bribed or coerced so I don't understand why you think it's shocking.

@TheCountessofFitzdotterel

Yes, it’s entirely possible the research into vaccine intentions is flawed because people feel inhibited from expressing their true feelings due to social pressure. Kind of ‘shy vaccine hesitant’ similar to the ‘shy Tory’ effect seen at recent elections.

Yep!

@Haywirecity I’m not only referring to this particular ‘incentive’. I think it’s shocking that we’re resorting to these sorts of tactics across the country in general. Vaccine ids included.

Do you not think vaccine passports - if implemented - have a role to play in reducing transmission and they're not just a "tactic" or coercive measure to increase vaccine uptake?

And yes yes, I know that vaccination does not prevent transmission but it certainly reduces it.

^ @bumbleymummy

@bumbleymummy

Or maybe, as intelligent people, they’ve figured that if they say they intend to get it people don’t label them as ‘anti-vaxx’ and lump them in with conspiracy theorists.

As always, a person not getting the vaccine doesn't make them "anti-vaxx"

Spreading misinformation and conspiracy theories about vaccination to justify that choice, and not taking other reasonable measures, is what makes some anti-vaccine IMO.

As always, a person not getting the vaccine doesn't make them "anti-vaxx"

Correct. But it doesn’t stop people accusing them of being anti-vaxx.

No, I don’t think exempting people from testing and isolation/quarantine when they are still able to contract/spread the virus is going to reduce transmission.

It is shocking that the vaccine passports are even a thing now.

No I don't think vaccine passports have a role to play in reducing transmission at all. Do you want to live like this forever? Do you want to live a life governed by scientists, governed by an app on your phone? I certainly don't and won't.

What would help reduce transmissions is if people who were symptomatic stayed at home.

It's what we did for years and it worked fine before this situation.

@bumbleymummy

@Haywirecity I’m not only referring to this particular ‘incentive’. I think it’s shocking that we’re resorting to these sorts of tactics across the country in general. Vaccine ids

People are not being forced to do anything. No one, unless specified for your occupation, is being made to have a covid vaccination against their will. It's always been true that some jobs require some vaccinations. I had to have some back in the 80s. It's a fact that some people are precluded from doing certain activities because of different factors. Eg, fair rides for heights precludes short people, swimming ability, exam results, driving licence, medical grounds, eye sight, etc, etc, etc. If someone said to me, you need to slaughter a chicken to get into a club, I wouldn't do it. That's a principle I wouldn't be tempted to break. A person is entitled to have the principle, nothing to do with anti-vax, of not being vaccinated. But there are consequences for that. In the past if I had refused to be vaccinated, I wouldn't have got a job I wanted and I wouldn't have been able to travel to countries I wanted to visit. No one forced me, it was my choice. All principles carry some sort of consequence.

So you are comparing swimming lessons and jabs in the 80s to this which is so totally different. In every way. Yeah, the 80s were questionable too. Just watch Its a Sin. Will tell you what you need to know. So you wanted that job so you got injected. Great, lucky you. You had a choice. Carers aren't getting that choice right now. They have food to buy and bills to pay. They have been bullied into this.

Walk another persons shoes maybe once in a while. Its not all Jo Malone and Starbucks for everyone dear.

@Peteycat

So you are comparing swimming lessons and jabs in the 80s to this which is so totally different. In every way. Yeah, the 80s were questionable too. Just watch Its a Sin. Will tell you what you need to know. So you wanted that job so you got injected. Great, lucky you. You had a choice. Carers aren't getting that choice right now. They have food to buy and bills to pay. They have been bullied into this.

Walk another persons shoes maybe once in a while. Its not all Jo Malone and Starbucks for everyone dear.

There isn't a new policy though. It varies a lot, but in some areas the 'flu vaccine is mandatory for HCPs.

In an ideal world I agree it should be something that is part of a new contract, not something required for your existing job, but presumably you can see the rationale in wanting to reduce risk to the most vulnerable?

‘It's what we did for years and it worked fine before this situation.‘

I have no idea what you’re trying to say here.

Sick people very often didn’t used to stay at home, pre pandemic. People often struggled into work and were cursed by colleagues for spreading nasty bugs round the workplace.
We now have covid which is sufficiently good at asymptomatic transmission that just telling people to stay at home when they have symptoms doesn’t cut it. Plenty of people are seriously ill from covid having caught it from people who are hardly ill at all.