Page 8 | Why is not having the vaccine selfish

MareofBeasttown · 06/08/2021 20:41

@magsbagsfags

I wonder if most people feel sorry for the those that die of coronavirus and are double jabbed.

I wonder if most people think "ah well...you made your choice" for those that die of coronavirus and are unvaccinated.

I genuinely believe those that refuse the vaccine should not receive medical attention if they contract coronavirus - I wonder what would be the anti-vaxxers thoughts then 🤔

Terrible suggestion. Every single person, vax or anti-vax, should receive medical attention, even Kate Shemirani. As pro-vax as I am, I do not think " Ah well you made your choice" when I read of those that die unvaccinated. I think " That's truly tragic."

Spudina · 06/08/2021 20:49

Last week (as I said on another thread) 17 of the 19 patients in our ITU were unvaccinated and we had to stop doing orthopaedic surgeries due to using those beds for COVID patients. That is having a real impact on our services. On people who need ventilation due to a trauma or stroke for example and for all the people who have waited in agonising pain for orthopaedic surgery. Not to mention how effing awful it is to wear full PPE for a 12 hour shift in the height of summer. It’s beyond selfish not to be vaccinated.

TheNewBlack · 06/08/2021 20:58

@Spudina Well said and couldn’t agree more.

Kitcat122 · 06/08/2021 21:19

No one really wants a new untested vaccine but we all want to get rid of Covid and get back to normal life. We have all taken one for the team and been vaccinated. I think people that don't are selfish. Just my opinion 🤷

bumbleymummy · 06/08/2021 21:37

What if we all didn't get it?? Where would we be then?

You mean if the high risk people that we had to have lockdowns for to prevent them overwhelming the nhs decided not to have the vaccine that reduced their risk of serious illness and death? Well, it’s a bit of silly question. We wouldn’t be able to keep locking down so I guess most of them would die. Good job we have vaccines to stop that happening! As far as younger, healthy people go, them not having the vaccine wouldn’t have anywhere near as much of an impact because they make up a low percentage of hospitalisations and deaths anyway.

CaptSkippy · 06/08/2021 21:44

@AlexaShutUp

Because you aren't only putting yourself at increased risk.

This is a nutshell.

hehehhehe · 06/08/2021 21:46

bumbleymummy

So you're against lockdowns and vaccination at a rate that will achieve herd immunity?

And you've been living on these threads spouting nonsense for months.

bluetongue · 06/08/2021 21:48

@Kitcat122

No one really wants a new untested vaccine but we all want to get rid of Covid and get back to normal life. We have all taken one for the team and been vaccinated. I think people that don't are selfish. Just my opinion 🤷

Agree. People who haven’t been vaccinated have no right to complain about restrictions to their lives.

The problem is with Delta being so easily transmissible you need more than the vulnerable vaccinated to stop the health system being overwhelmed. States in the US have had to bring back mask mandates for everyone so now the vaccinated have to endure restrictions to protect the unvaccinated from their own bad decisions. Not surprisingly they’re pissed about this,

SunnyNights · 06/08/2021 21:55

@bumbleymummy

What if we all didn't get it?? Where would we be then?

You mean if the high risk people that we had to have lockdowns for to prevent them overwhelming the nhs decided not to have the vaccine that reduced their risk of serious illness and death? Well, it’s a bit of silly question. We wouldn’t be able to keep locking down so I guess most of them would die. Good job we have vaccines to stop that happening! As far as younger, healthy people go, them not having the vaccine wouldn’t have anywhere near as much of an impact because they make up a low percentage of hospitalisations and deaths anyway.

I don't understand the point you're making? Are you for or against vaccinations?

GintyMcGinty · 06/08/2021 22:01

It is selfish because as long as people are at risk of being very ill or dying then

restrictions (of some kind) are imposed on the rest of us and
it puts a strain on the NHS

and because you are at increased risk of spreading it to others

Darbs76 · 06/08/2021 22:06

Because we are in the midst of a worldwide pandemic which is killing millions of people worldwide and vaccination is one of our only hopes of getting back to any kind of normality. It’s not purely a decision which affects you, if you think that you’ve not done any research into the vaccine and how it works at all.

leafyygreens · 06/08/2021 22:07

@hehehhehe

bumbleymummy

So you're against lockdowns and vaccination at a rate that will achieve herd immunity?

And you've been living on these threads spouting nonsense for months.

Yes, it's depressing.

The latest post makes even less sense than usual though.

bumbleymummy · 06/08/2021 23:14

@hehehhehe

bumbleymummy

So you're against lockdowns and vaccination at a rate that will achieve herd immunity?

And you've been living on these threads spouting nonsense for months.

No, I’m not against either. Why?

Frazzled2207 · 06/08/2021 23:16

@magsbagsfags

It's selfish because being unvaccinated means you can easily transmit the virus.

Indeed. Quite possibly unwittingly.

XenoBitch · 06/08/2021 23:18

Indeed. Quite possibly unwittingly

Vaccinated people are too, and in a lot of cases even more unwittingly as many mistakenly think they are 100% immune.

CharleyChook · 06/08/2021 23:32

If not getting the vaccine only means you're putting yourself at risk why is it considered selfish and why are some people choosing to not be around their own family members who are unvaccinated? As most people have now had the vaccine hopefully the hospitals won't become overwhelmed... even with the few people that won't have the jab.
I am double jabbed but my brother is refusing to have his. Is he selfish? And if so why

Awh it’s such a difficult decision isn’t it? Why did anyone bother having the vaccine if it isn’t that important to our our future freedom? Let’s think of the covid figures and deaths from covid this time last year and compare them to now - with the majority of people having received both jabs, mass group restrictions, the wearing of masks in indoors places etc.

Do you think there is no difference to Joe publics quality of life, risk of death and overwhelming of the NHS now?

Do you think those who have refused the vaccine should take over NHS wards to the detriment of those who need urgent, overdue, treatment through no fault of their own? Or do you think the unvaccinated should take precedence in NHS wards, thus risking the lives of the people who really need treatment?

bumbleymummy · 06/08/2021 23:34

@SunnyNights it’s not hard to understand - unless you try to reduce it to a binary for/against issue. (Which it isn’t.)

Your question:
“What position would we be in if no one took the vaccine?”

We couldn’t stay in lockdown forever so…

Lots of vulnerable people would be dead.(although plenty would be fine and immune after infection)

Most non-vulnerable would be fine and immune after infection.

Thankfully, we have vaccines to reduce the risk to the vulnerable groups and uptake has been really high in those groups. If they didn’t want it, they’re the ones most likely to suffer really - but, because they’re high risk, they were happy to take the vaccine.

Lower risk people don’t gain as much from having it and it doesn’t really make that much difference to the nhs because they were unlikely to end up in hospital anyway.

Frazzled2207 · 06/08/2021 23:36

Well if they think that they are def wrong!

But fair point that vaccinated people can also pass it in unwittingly. But less will.

Anyway, I think reading the responses that “to ease burden on nhs” is best reason why it’s selfish not to have it. You are hugely less likely to be hospitalised with covid if vaccinated. If you are unvaccinated and get Covid you’ll be taking up a hospital bed for someone else, a non-covid patient, who’ll get their operation delayed. My friend’s dad got his operation delayed, because of covid, and died while waiting.

bumbleymummy · 06/08/2021 23:40

You are hugely less likely to be hospitalised with covid if vaccinated.

Only if you’re in one of the top 9 groups identified by the JCVI. They were making up over 85% of hospitalisations and ~99% deaths iirc. Younger, non-vulnerable people were unlikely to be hospitalised anyway so the vaccine won’t make them ‘hugely less likely’ to be hospitalised.

bumbleymummy · 06/08/2021 23:43

@leafyygreens

“The latest post makes even less sense than usual though.”

If you’re ever struggling with any of the data I’ve linked to from HIQA/PHE/ONS or WHO then please just say. I’d be more than happy to help you try to understand it :)

Lolatt · 06/08/2021 23:49

It’s a very personal choice that people shouldn’t be bullied into. I’ve had two doses of vaccine and don’t enquire as to who’s had what.

leafyygreens · 06/08/2021 23:55

[quote bumbleymummy]@leafyygreens

“The latest post makes even less sense than usual though.”

If you’re ever struggling with any of the data I’ve linked to from HIQA/PHE/ONS or WHO then please just say. I’d be more than happy to help you try to understand it :)[/quote]
As I made clear in my post, it's not the data you link that people struggle to comprehend, it's how you attempt to interpret it and the bizarre conclusions you draw that make no sense.

Like this, which I quoted in my post:

You mean if the high risk people that we had to have lockdowns for to prevent them overwhelming the nhs decided not to have the vaccine that reduced their risk of serious illness and death? Well, it’s a bit of silly question. We wouldn’t be able to keep locking down so I guess most of them would die. Good job we have vaccines to stop that happening! As far as younger, healthy people go, them not having the vaccine wouldn’t have anywhere near as much of an impact because they make up a low percentage of hospitalisations and deaths anyway.

LemonSwan · 06/08/2021 23:56

Its 2021. There is no rhyme or reason to anything. Just nod and smile and try to keep a grip on reality while the world falls apart.

bumbleymummy · 06/08/2021 23:57

What part are you struggling with? Or is it just that I said that it was a good job we do have vaccines and that doesn’t fit in with your ‘bumbley is anti-vaxx’ narrative?

leafyygreens · 06/08/2021 23:59

If you’re ever struggling with any of the data I’ve linked to from HIQA/PHE/ONS or WHO then please just say. I’d be more than happy to help you try to understand it

There are many other, actual scientifically literate posters without your consistent covid minimising and anti-vaccine posting history that I'd go to if I wanted help, ta @bumbleymummy