DH regrets having vaccine

[LifesTooShortYOLO]

So me and DH have both had both doses of Pfizer vaccine and I felt like I had done my research and outweighed the pros and cons and was happy with my decision.
The day after DH second dose he felt terrible he was laid in bed all day with aching, chills and what he describes as the most banging headache. I was fine 😳
The day after he was back to feeling his normal self.
Today he's come home from work and said he's had a banging headache all day just like the day after the vaccine, and in his words 'You don't know what shit they put into you do you really'
So now I'm freaking out 😂 I have health anxiety at the best of times and he is normally my reassurance and is always the one who rationalises with me about things when I'm feeling anxious. Now hearing him say that has made me question the whole Vaccine thing even though it's too late now anyway 😕😣

My strong suspicion is that people look at the illness and make their own assessment.

Polio. No brainer. Awful illness.

Covid? Same as MMR. Hmmm. They aren't that bad. I think low risk for me so won't get vaccine.

The fact that decent coverage is needed to protect those who are more at risk from the illnesses seems irrelevant.

@NiceGerbil

My strong suspicion is that people look at the illness and make their own assessment.

Polio. No brainer. Awful illness.

Covid? Same as MMR. Hmmm. They aren't that bad. I think low risk for me so won't get vaccine.

The fact that decent coverage is needed to protect those who are more at risk from the illnesses seems irrelevant.

Not really. The polio vaccine is given at 2, 4 & 6 months & with a booster at 4 or 5 years old.

The people getting it are babies so they don't decide.

Their parents do but as it's part of a standard series of vaccines that all children get, almost all parents just get them without any huge amount of thought.

The Covid vaccine is new & fertile ground for conspiracies.

I had both covid jabs. Sore arm for a couple of days both times. Second time was less sore. No other symptoms.

I'm pregnant so recently had a whooping cough injection too. No symptoms apart from sore arm, but the sore arm has persisted for four days (and counting) so longer than the covid jab. Every vaccine has side effects.

The side effects are your body fighting the vaccine and building immunity not 'something in the vaccine'. He needs to read up.

Plenty of parents not having MMR for kids. Also think that HPV some parents not keen. (Although children old enough to decide- not sure).

In the end it's peculiar that the ones that are more often avoided are the ones for things seen as less scary.

If it wasn't covid. But Ebola or something else really nasty. I would bet the vast majority would be quick to join the queue.

Also just thought. Would be interested in the thing- we don't know what's in it.

What do people think could be in it?
Is the idea the drug companies are hiding something about the formulation? For what reason?
Or is it something else?

The Covid vaccine is new & fertile ground for conspiracies

That may well be, although I'm certainly not a conspiracy theorist.

what trouble with the AstraZeneca?

Oh I don't know, perhaps the young and otherwise healthy people developing blood clots and dying.

Cases of Immune thrombocytopenic purpura resulting in death, in healthy recipients with no health conditions that would make the vaccine unsafe in theory.

As I touched on previously, I have had covid and for me fortunately it was very mild. Much milder than the unpleasant side effects of the vaccine reported on this thread and others.

I have taken every reasonable precaution to protect myself and others during the pandemic, I choose to continue wearing face masks and practising social distancing to an extent. I'm just not prepared to take the vaccine at this moment in time because as I said, the severe side effects aren't so rare when they happen to you.

I don't think it's right nor fair to hush people wanting to talk about their adverse reactions or imply that anybody who is paying attention to that % of people - is a conspiracy theorist.

Plenty of parents not having MMR for kids.

Really not plenty.

And you said polio!

I don't think the people rejecting the vaccine do anything as detailed as weigh up different diseases

But also ... the numbers taking up the vaccine are very very high. There is no great problem with people not getting vaccinated, except in some US states where they see it as protest against Biden.

perhaps the young and otherwise healthy people developing blood clots and dying.

Evidence? There really isn't. Yes, there is a tiny risk of blood clots. That risk has been assessed as much as possible.

"According to the MHRA, the risk of a serious blood clot as a result of the jab is approximately one in 250,000 people vaccinated, or four in a million"

www.pharmaceutical-technology.com/features/az-covid-19-vaccine-blood-clots-risks-explained/

For comparison, this compares to a 0.6% incidence of a blood clot from the pill (the incidence from the AZ vaccine works out at 0.00017%)

I've no issue with you not wanting the vaccine. That's up to you. But your assertions are completely false. You could check that very easily with reliable sources, you choose not to. That's annoying.

I mentioned a few illnesses. Polio example of a scary thing that I can't imagine many people turn down. MMR an example of one seen as illnesses that are not that bad.

If it was not covid, but something like Ebola. Would you be holding off being vaccinated?

'I don't think the people rejecting the vaccine do anything as detailed as weigh up different diseases'

Strongly disagree.

It's not detailed to think.
Hmm
Polio. Yikes. Vaccine please!
Covid. Not that bad. I'm young and low risk. Will not rush into it.

I don't think it's right nor fair to hush people wanting to talk about their adverse reactions

Nobody is doing this - well, I'm not.

The booklet I got when I got my vaccine actively encourages reporting of any adverse outcomes. A contact number is provided.

It's acknowledged that not all effects are yet known - in the booklet.

No one is covering anything up!

But people (like you, sorry) dramatically going on about blood clots affecting the young, or others who link completely implausible conditions to it, when the evidence exists to counter it, do get my goat.

Believe what you want, but own it! Don't keep making shit up.

@NiceGerbil

I mentioned a few illnesses. Polio example of a scary thing that I can't imagine many people turn down. MMR an example of one seen as illnesses that are not that bad.

If it was not covid, but something like Ebola. Would you be holding off being vaccinated?

I mean I agree with your overall point. But your facts are all over the shop!

MMR is not a disease, it's a collective. And** individual diseases within it absolutely can be v serious eg measles. Every so often, the herd immunity level drops for this & it's taken really seriously.

My point is those who are anti-vaccine are not going around weighing it up against eg Ebola. They are making any kind of sustained argument, they're just against it (and that is their right, on a personal basis).

@NiceGerbil

'I don't think the people rejecting the vaccine do anything as detailed as weigh up different diseases'

Strongly disagree.

It's not detailed to think.
Hmm
Polio. Yikes. Vaccine please!
Covid. Not that bad. I'm young and low risk. Will not rush into it.

But no-one thinks 'polio! Vaccine please!'

A) they are a baby
B) that vaccine is so long established that people just accept it.

Even with MMR most people who have issues with it don't necessarily have a problem with each vaccine, just as a combined vaccine, still worried about a long-debunked article.

Reading these latest comments is doing nothing to calm my anxiety surrounding the vaccine 🤯

I think we're talking past each other.

My point is that if it wasn't covid but something really terrifying. And the vaccine had been delivered in same timescales etc as covid. I find it hard to believe that those holding off/ not having it etc would do the same.

Sorry OP this is your thread. I'll leave.

Your DH is being silly. I promise everything will be fine

I had a heavy immune response 26 hours after second Pfizer dose. Nothing from the first. That was me in bed from 5pm until the next morning when I felt fine again. Tbh I was just glad to get a response, made me think it bloody works

@LifesTooShortYOLO

Reading these latest comments is doing nothing to calm my anxiety surrounding the vaccine 🤯

Which ones? Because if they are mine, I've linked to copious reliable sources backing up how safe the vaccine is.

Earlier you asked for some information. Did you check out anything I shared?

If you're only going to read uniformed posts, and not look at reliable sources, without meaning to be harsh, I don't have too much sympathy for your health anxiety.

No EaringsAndLipstick it wasn't your posts I was relating too at all. I actually found all of your info very helpful.
It was NiceGerbils comments that were fuelling my vaccination fears 🤦🏻‍♀️

I'm sorry OP that obviously wasn't my intention.

I'll leave the thread.

Please don't worry. It's all fine. Really.

To be fair, I think @NiceGerbil was trying to offer support & say that there wasn't a reason to fear vaccines! I didn't see anything worrying in their posts?

Maybe she's right tho, it might be better for us to stop posting & then the thread won't keep affecting you.

Apologies NiceGerbil I have just re read your comments and can see what you meant now.
I think the way you re quoted Chick Peas comments made me think they were coming from you 😂
I really am great full for the comments and information on this thread I am reading through them and the links provided 😊

Had left but still on threads I'm on and saw my name.

Honestly it will be absolutely AOK.

Just thought though-

When I had perinatal anxiety and depression that unfortunately went on for years.

I had one particular thing that I was totally irrational about.

It was to the extent that I only left the house when I absolutely had to for over s year.

During that time, at home s lot and with young children, it's that sort of start stop that means for me anyway I was on MN an awful lot.

I was drawn to threads which from the title I knew would be about the thing that made me have panic attacks etc. It was a bit moth to a flame.

Then I'd get more upset and probably posted really irrational things (not saying you're doing that!) and it was for me, not good at all.

The other thing is that on a current topic like covid and vaccines which has some really opposed ideas, people will start veering off into things that are not helpful. Also, there are people on here who enjoy putting the boot in, upsetting people etc.

So while MN is fab. Treat with caution for your anxiety.

If you are drawn to covid threads then reading all this stuff will not help, hide the topic is a possibility.

As it's health anxiety you are likely to get a more sensitive response on health or mental health.

I don't know if that's useful- you're not me! But thought I'd say it anyway.

Also it sounds like your OH is not exactly being helpful. Presumably he knows how you feel. I've not read all your posts sorry but talking to friends/ family IRL if there are any you feel comfy talking to is good. Rather than bottle it in.

I had propranolol to take as and when. It's a beta blocker, slows heart rate.

It was really good for me as it massively reduces the anxiety response- the pounding heart, not being able to get enough breath etc.

With the physical response controlled I found it much easier to say to myself. You're being irrational. You know this isn't true. Etc. And tamp it back down.