96 dead today...

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But Boris knows what he's doing...

@MrsFin

96 people die every day. More than that actually. 96 is a tiny number.

Its not though is it. The one or two Covid deaths in the last year in New Zealand are tiny. #borishasfailedandf*ckedupagain

How many of those were from covid, Not within 28 days I mean actual COVID deaths? Stop scaremongering.

96 deaths -

Was COVID 19 the sole cause of death or were their underlying health issues ?

What was the "years lost" from these deaths . A death of somebody aged 88 cannot rank equally with a death of someone aged 28 - very harsh but true

It is clear that the number of deaths to cases has declined significantly and shows that being double jabbed ( or having covid naturally ) makes a difference.

It is not perfect but its far far better than last year

The one or two Covid deaths in the last year in New Zealand are tiny.

NZ has a tiny population.

Floored me as in I’ve been in bed for 3 days, can’t do anything, a shower is too much, standing up for more than a minute or so is exhausting.
I wouldn’t wish it on anyone.

@TeacupDrama

on average 660,000 people die a year in the UK or roughly 1 in a 100 or 1808 a day this varies from well over 2000 in winter to about 1500 in summer on average every day 450 people die of cancer, 460 from various forms of heart stroke and circulatory diseases 400 from alzheimers/ dementia pneumonia flu and other lung infections 80, car accidents 5, children under 18 averages 13 per day more than half are less than 1 year old there are 7 still births every day and at least 1 maternal death

There is zero chance of zero covid deaths just like there is zero chance or zero flu deaths no one is immortal we all die of something the question is how and when not "if"

cruel though it may seem there has to be an acceptable number of deaths like there is from flu and pneumonia but the number is not 100,000 but neither is less than 5-10,000 realistic either, maybe ir is that when combined with flu and pneumonia it is about the 5 year average for these

Very useful and puts it all into perspective.

Well done :( I would try explaining death rate per million but I'm not sure you'd get it.

@MrsFin

The one or two Covid deaths in the last year in New Zealand are tiny.

NZ has a tiny population.

Well done . UKs pop is 12 times NZ. NZ had 26 deaths. By that rate the UK should have around 300 deaths ... The UKs deaths are 500 times that ! We are around 150 THOUSAND. !

Wake up!!

Yes but …… most of the elderly and clinically vulnerable have already died, when you feed in the vaccination effects fewer will die.

So that’s OK isn’t it????? NOT

Wake up!!

Posts that shout this usually aren’t based on any sort of relevant factors.

You’re better off to compare with Europe or NYC for location, timing on curve and culture.

Most cases unvaccinated & nearly all hospitalized unvaccinated. Mostly young because they’re the ones either not bothering or not had second dose. Also right in that deaths ‘of’ COVID far far lower than ‘with’. It’s sometimes nasty when you get it tho even if jabbed.

One of the biggest parts of the problem is 1) that there are those who haven’t been jabbed - either because they were antivaxers, or because they have a condition which doesn’t allow them to be jabbed( I’m in this group as I’m anaphylaxis prone and have an autoimmune condition ) or simply because they didn’t want it.
2)The elderly , and vulnerable, or simply unlucky who have been jabbed but are still in danger if they get Covid
3)Those who’ve had 1 jab only
I’m not sure how many people this represents, but between the 3 options listed above AND new variants which don’t react to the vaccines, there are still going to be lots of deaths from Covid one way or another. There appears to be no easy answer, and our GM are untrustworthy at best for a host of reasons. So sadly, it’s either the meadow analogy, or take your chances, or devise your own safety measures and carry on ( mask, distance yourself where you can, hand hygiene). I’m opting for mask/distance/hand hygiene and carry on. Effectively I’m still shielding and taking responsibility for myself as my GM sure as anything isn’t going to look out for me :((((( Bojos blundered chaotic methodologies are, I think the work of a man floundering in a situation out of his depth bigtime

@Fairyliz. The vaccine IS working. There was never any claim that it would either stop people from getting Covid or spreading it. What it does, is to reduce the symptoms and to reduce the risk of vaccinated people spreading it to each other. The idea was that if enough people were doubly vaccinated by the time we opened up again, that the vaccines would take the strain off the NHS, as not as many people would be admitted with serious symptoms, and the spread would be reduced. Unfortunately not everyone will have the vaccine and we’ll probably find out in the long run that a lot of the people hospitalised, as well as those who passed away were unvaccinated. There are also proportions of the population who either can’t have the vaccine for medical reasons, or on whom it doesn’t work - don’t know the statistics but I suppose it all has an effect.

@Luckyrid whenever we talk about NZ nobody is ever that clear on what they will do next.

The ridiculous amount of people self isolating is affecting the economy just as much as a partial lockdown would, more in fact. Services are being affected exponentially at the moment. Just one example - Red Funnel Ferries have had to cancel loads of sailings due to lack of staff, this didn’t happen during any of the lockdowns. Johnson has ignored scientific advice throughout and continues to do so. The scientists can’t speak out against the government as an earlier poster said. I can’t believe the expected deaths are accepted so casually! All fine as long as it’s someone else I suppose….

@PickleAF

I don't understand this idea people have that Boris alone is making all of these decisions off the top of his head? he's advised by panels of scientists and advisors and the hundreds of people work on providing the data that goes into these decisions. Yes people have died with (not always of!) covid, but the last time cases were this high thousands were dying.

This is what I always think. He's not sitting in an office just plucking random dates and rules our of thin air!

Well done . UKs pop is 12 times NZ. NZ had 26 deaths. By that rate the UK should have around 300 deaths ... The UKs deaths are 500 times that ! We are around 150 THOUSAND

Completely different situation.
U.K. is a densely populated, major transport and trading hub, with holiday, sport event and business destinations on its doorstep.

NZ isn't.

Whoever wants to continue living in isolation please continue. No one is forcing you to go to packed shops, restaurants pubs etc. Stay at home and stay safe if that’s what you think is best.

I however will continue to live my life as normal. I can’t continue like this indefinitely, lock down has more negative effects than positive’s. For me the relatively small risk of dying/getting ill is not worth locking myself away. That’s my choice, you can make yours.

“Most of the elderly and clinically vulnerable have already died”

Focusing on the number of deaths is somewhat missing the point. The vaccines seem to be very effective at lowering the fatality rate, which is great news, but people are still getting hospitalised - and if the number of hospitalisations gets too high, the NHS will struggle and will have to lockdown on that basis.

Thank you x

PommieCheeks75

How do you know the vaccine hasn’t actually made your immune response worse?

And how do you actually know that? Did he tell you himself?

@Lindylindyloo

Most cases unvaccinated & nearly all hospitalized unvaccinated. Mostly young because they’re the ones either not bothering or not had second dose. Also right in that deaths ‘of’ COVID far far lower than ‘with’. It’s sometimes nasty when you get it tho even if jabbed.

In the U.K., older people are still the most likely to be hospitalised and die, not the young.

www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/healthandsocialcare/conditionsanddiseases/articles/coronaviruscovid19latestinsights/hospitals