96 dead today...

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But Boris knows what he's doing...

US also different in that they did not prioritise the vulnerable as well as the UK did, but have offered vaccine to anyone 12 and up. They have nearly as many fully vaccinated, but the concentration won't be as high in those likely to be severely impacted.

The vulnerable were initially prioritised but who qualified varied by state.

97% of those hospitalised are the unvaccinated. Young as well as old.

Re London figures.

www.london.gov.uk/updates/news-feed

On 19 July 2021 there were 647 COVID-19 patients in London hospitals. This compares with 514 patients on 12 July 2021.

On 19 July 2021 there were 128 COVID-19 patients in mechanical ventilation beds in London hospitals. This compares with 103 patients on 12 July 2021.

But comparing
97% of those hospitalised are the unvaccinated.
with
60% in the UK are unvaccinated

is meaningless without delving further into it. You arent comparing like for like.

It may be a vaccine issue (I know you have never liked AZ teaslights) makes up one factor but the division of vaccines in States, the number of those who have been hit who are unvaccinated, the proportion of cases, age of those vaccinated etc also makes a difference

@name6785 they weren't all flu deaths though .
*When was this? How long did it last for, as I don't remember those sort of figures! If you mean during the Spanish Flu, that was 100 years ago.

2017-2018 there were 50,000 excess deaths that winterwww.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/bulletins/excesswintermortalityinenglandandwales/2017to2018provisionaland2016to2017final

You don't remember it because it wasn't widely reported and discussed, it happens, it's life.*

doi.org/10.1136/bmj.k2795

Covid is not just a cold.
My niece early 20s and jabbed is seriously ill with it right now. She has trouble breathing,chest pains and is worried about the long term.effects.You don't get that from a cold.

Sorry that didn't work. Will try again

www.theguardian.com/society/2018/jan/25/three-times-more-people-dying-from-flu-in-uk-than-last-winter

And 300-400 people were dying a day in the flu peak a couple of years ago.

The above report doesn't suggest that is true @name6785

@PickleAF

I don't understand this idea people have that Boris alone is making all of these decisions off the top of his head? he's advised by panels of scientists and advisors and the hundreds of people work on providing the data that goes into these decisions. Yes people have died with (not always of!) covid, but the last time cases were this high thousands were dying.

Wow, really? Then you have no idea how No10 works under Carrie and BoJo.

Whose fault is it if it's not down to Doris?

Come on, we pay that man a kings ransom and he still fluffs it all up

What’s the alternative? The country can’t live a restricted, locked down life forever. Life is full of risks but many of us want to take those risks and get back to living.

@name6785

We have been doing something the last 18 months. Christ.

Obviously not enough.

@bluetongue

What’s the alternative? The country can’t live a restricted, locked down life forever. Life is full of risks but many of us want to take those risks and get back to living.

Yes but are you taking risks with yourself or are you burdening CEV people with your risk taking... a few tiny precautions like masks etc and everyone could be safer, but oh no, the risk takers want to have their virus and spread it too

Never liked AZ? Erm, no Quartz You must've confused me with someone else.

As you can see, in an earlier post I referred to a study Angela Merkel was influenced by. The one that suggested AZ first dose + mRNA second gives the strongest protection.

It's not helpful to bury heads in the sand. If things have changed because of mutated strains, it might be that mRNA boosters are needed.

Or, hopefully, trial results depending, the boosters that astrazeneca are currently working on, tweaked to work better against newer strains. I posted about these trials yesterday.

Moving on.

Wrt Pfizer and Moderna (and possibly J&J too). Data from America strongly indicates that they work very well at preventing hospitalisation and death.

We had done enough if it was the original variant or even Alpha.

Delta is something else and you can see that with rises everywhere US/France/Spain

We were just (due to links with India) first.

Yes but are you taking risks with yourself or are you burdening CEV people with your risk taking... a few tiny precautions like masks etc and everyone could be safer, but oh no, the risk takers want to have their virus and spread it too

So you want us to live like this to protect the vulnerable forever? Fuck that.

@Notsowise

I think Nanny only learnt the word ‘exponential’ in March 2020.

And the expression ‘baked in’.

Nanny - you say ‘we’ aren’t going out? Does that mean your family / children? They are going to have much longer lasting psychological effects than Covid could inflict if you are this doom and anxiety inducing in front of them.

I have a mathematics degree.

Yes. DD starts university in September and doesn't want to be stuck in her room all day because of lockdown, so she is willing to do her bit now to help slow the spread. If only everyone else thought the same.

@southeastdweller

Yes but are you taking risks with yourself or are you burdening CEV people with your risk taking... a few tiny precautions like masks etc and everyone could be safer, but oh no, the risk takers want to have their virus and spread it too

So you want us to live like this to protect the vulnerable forever? Fuck that.

Live like what?

As done have said before, there's a place between Freedom Day and Lockdown, where everything is functioning but we are all taking slight precautions.

Not this selfish nonsense approach of personal responsibility.

BTW I'm not CEV, but it only takes a modicum of sensibility to see that's the best approach for all our people.

Live a restricted life is what I thought was obvious - masks, SD etc.

Has any seen this ‘Freedom Day’ in reality?

So many are still wearing masks

The fuck that brigade, with their personal responsibility, which basically translates to "I'm alright jack and did everyone else"

Sod everyone else rather

The data reported is too selective. It doesn't tell you what it's selective of. You therefore can't really judge properly anything of what the true figures are.

Whatever they are reporting, well, it's set out in a way that the government/tv want you to see it as. Whatever their slant is in it.

How is occasional mask wearing when in a crowded indoor space a restriction, do come on dear!