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But Boris knows what he's doing...

The fuck that brigade, with their personal responsibility, which basically translates to "I'm alright jack and did everyone else"

Yeah thats you btw!

'I am alright jack' while minimum wage carers were working through the pandemic unvaccinated caring for those with covid because they kept getting sent out of hospital with covid. To those shop workers who enabled you to eat. To the delivery drivers. To the energy, water, emergency services - you name it.

Was OK for them to keep working wasn't it.

Your fucking turn now. And if you dont want to thats fine. But dont you dare getting on a fucking high horse and stop other people living their lives when thousands in this country risked theirs with no vaccinations for over a year.

You want it all. Food in your shops, delivery to your door, no risk, low infection rates, perpetual lockdowns/ restrictions and for you to be the ones continually wrapped up in cotton wool. Your just take take take. Dont want to take any personal responsibility. Because your all right jack.

And thats that.

Leaving this thread its infuriating.

considerably LESS wearing masks across our stores throughout the uk today according to our company communications

as the weather cools people may go back to fully wearing masks but not too convinced on that one.

@LemonSwan

The fuck that brigade, with their personal responsibility, which basically translates to "I'm alright jack and did everyone else"

Yeah thats you btw!

'I am alright jack' while minimum wage carers were working through the pandemic unvaccinated caring for those with covid because they kept getting sent out of hospital with covid. To those shop workers who enabled you to eat. To the delivery drivers. To the energy, water, emergency services - you name it.

Was OK for them to keep working wasn't it.

Your fucking turn now. And if you dont want to thats fine. But dont you dare getting on a fucking high horse and stop other people living their lives when thousands in this country risked theirs with no vaccinations for over a year.

You want it all. Food in your shops, delivery to your door, no risk, low infection rates, perpetual lockdowns/ restrictions and for you to be the ones continually wrapped up in cotton wool. Your just take take take. Dont want to take any personal responsibility. Because your all right jack.

And thats that.

Leaving this thread its infuriating.

This this this

@LemonSwan

The fuck that brigade, with their personal responsibility, which basically translates to "I'm alright jack and did everyone else"

Yeah thats you btw!

'I am alright jack' while minimum wage carers were working through the pandemic unvaccinated caring for those with covid because they kept getting sent out of hospital with covid. To those shop workers who enabled you to eat. To the delivery drivers. To the energy, water, emergency services - you name it.

Was OK for them to keep working wasn't it.

Your fucking turn now. And if you dont want to thats fine. But dont you dare getting on a fucking high horse and stop other people living their lives when thousands in this country risked theirs with no vaccinations for over a year.

You want it all. Food in your shops, delivery to your door, no risk, low infection rates, perpetual lockdowns/ restrictions and for you to be the ones continually wrapped up in cotton wool. Your just take take take. Dont want to take any personal responsibility. Because your all right jack.

And thats that.

Leaving this thread its infuriating.

Yeah! This, 100%

@Tealightsandd

The vulnerable were initially prioritised but who qualified varied by state.

97% of those hospitalised are the unvaccinated. Young as well as old.

They started out with making it accessible to more vulnerable populations first, but they do not have the GP system the UK does, which was critical in the UK's effort to reach the vulnerable. Outreach and accessibility in the US was much poorer and so take up was not as good, especially amoung groups that might find it difficult to keep up with news or advocate for themselves (which includes many vulnerable people), so take up wasn't as great in the UK even where vaccine hesitancy wasn't bad.

Almost all hosptializations are unvaccinated in the US, I'm pointing out that the lower vaccination rates amoung the vulnerable is one of the reasons - Full vaccination is comparatively more protective for vulnerable populations than for the rest, so the US's higher rates of unvaccinated vulnerable will lead to significantly higher rates of unvaccinated hospitalizations.

@LemonSwan

The fuck that brigade, with their personal responsibility, which basically translates to "I'm alright jack and did everyone else"

Yeah thats you btw!

'I am alright jack' while minimum wage carers were working through the pandemic unvaccinated caring for those with covid because they kept getting sent out of hospital with covid. To those shop workers who enabled you to eat. To the delivery drivers. To the energy, water, emergency services - you name it.

Was OK for them to keep working wasn't it.

Your fucking turn now. And if you dont want to thats fine. But dont you dare getting on a fucking high horse and stop other people living their lives when thousands in this country risked theirs with no vaccinations for over a year.

You want it all. Food in your shops, delivery to your door, no risk, low infection rates, perpetual lockdowns/ restrictions and for you to be the ones continually wrapped up in cotton wool. Your just take take take. Dont want to take any personal responsibility. Because your all right jack.

And thats that.

Leaving this thread its infuriating.

THIS THIS THIS. SO MUCH FUCKING THIS

What is an acceptable level of deaths? What is an acceptable level of long covid? What is an acceptable level of long covid in the under 18s who aren't eligible for a vaccination? Masks indoors in crowded spaces will make a bit of a difference, testing for mass events inc nightclubs, conferences etc could make a difference (aware people will lie, but most won't). Wait until everyone has had the opportunity to be vaccinated. Our numbers will still be high, but it would be nice to not go all out to peak at the highest possible number we can! We are kicking long covid down the road and all the health and economic implications of that. Given that we have fucked pretty much everything covid related under this government bar vaccines, given how many countries and scientists think we are fucking it up now, maybe we should listen.

Non-pharmaceutical interventions such as masks, social distancing, ventilation, working from home, testing to identify carriers, isolating contacts of detected cases etc protect everybody by reducing the prevalence of the virus in the community.

Transport workers are safer if people on public transport wear masks.

Supermarket workers are safer if people get a delivery rather than go to the shop. Or wear a mask in the shop.

Everyone is safer if people work from home if they can, reducing their contacts from potentially hundreds/thousands a day to single figures.

Everyone is safer if contacts isolate.

Everyone is safer if vast numbers of essential workers don't^^ all get covid and collapse essential services due to lack of staff.

A lot of it boils down to how many contacts people have every day.

It doesn't matter if people have them at work, school, the gym, church, nightclubs, or weddings

The fewer contacts everybody has, the better.

The more contacts everybody has, the more cases rise and the more problems will be caused.

@LemonSwan

The fuck that brigade, with their personal responsibility, which basically translates to "I'm alright jack and did everyone else"

Yeah thats you btw!

'I am alright jack' while minimum wage carers were working through the pandemic unvaccinated caring for those with covid because they kept getting sent out of hospital with covid. To those shop workers who enabled you to eat. To the delivery drivers. To the energy, water, emergency services - you name it.

Was OK for them to keep working wasn't it.

Your fucking turn now. And if you dont want to thats fine. But dont you dare getting on a fucking high horse and stop other people living their lives when thousands in this country risked theirs with no vaccinations for over a year.

You want it all. Food in your shops, delivery to your door, no risk, low infection rates, perpetual lockdowns/ restrictions and for you to be the ones continually wrapped up in cotton wool. Your just take take take. Dont want to take any personal responsibility. Because your all right jack.

And thats that.

Leaving this thread its infuriating.

Well said and now people are double vaccinated it’s still wah the risk is too high.

A few weeks in to the rise in cases and I still only know of one person this year who has had covid. Friends and family have been on holiday, to Wembley, to Wimbledon. None of them have caught covid.
We have to learn to live with this and allow people to assess risk and act accordingly.

My business has been decimated by lockdown. I've had a friend in the same industry take their own life because of the financial stress and worry. We need to find a way to move forward as the wider consequences are huge. Covid isn't the only thing that's impacting on people.

People just cannot let it go, just a bit longer, just another two-three weeks, blah blah blah!

Life has always been full of risks, but it’s so depressing to see how people have been brainwashed into this collective panic.

@LemonSwan

The fuck that brigade, with their personal responsibility, which basically translates to "I'm alright jack and did everyone else"

Yeah thats you btw!

'I am alright jack' while minimum wage carers were working through the pandemic unvaccinated caring for those with covid because they kept getting sent out of hospital with covid. To those shop workers who enabled you to eat. To the delivery drivers. To the energy, water, emergency services - you name it.

Was OK for them to keep working wasn't it.

Your fucking turn now. And if you dont want to thats fine. But dont you dare getting on a fucking high horse and stop other people living their lives when thousands in this country risked theirs with no vaccinations for over a year.

You want it all. Food in your shops, delivery to your door, no risk, low infection rates, perpetual lockdowns/ restrictions and for you to be the ones continually wrapped up in cotton wool. Your just take take take. Dont want to take any personal responsibility. Because your all right jack.

And thats that.

Leaving this thread its infuriating.

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Utter rubbish, I was a "keyworker", so was my husband, I have no "privilege" as you put it but clearly you do,

Retaining wearing of masks in certain situations is a bloody no brainer.

Divide and conquer seems to be your modus operandi. There's no them and us, there's a really contagious virus that none of us know how we'll react to.

I'm not suggesting we stay in lockdown, I'm suggesting we take sensible measures to mitigate against future disasters.

@Sugarandtime

I’m getting really concerned that PHE are writing that more people that have been vaccinated, especially with 2 vaccinations have died than unvaccinated.

I know there is probably a good explanation as to why that is but I always thought it would have been the other way around.
It wasn’t something I was expecting to read and it’s really got me worried now.

It’s simply because more people are now vaccinated than unvaccinated.

If 100% of the population were vaccinated, then 100% of the covid deaths would be from vaccinated people!

Another element is that the unvaccinated people are mainly now children who are very very very unlikely to die of COVID.

@Sugarandtime yes it makes sense and is to be expected the unvaccinated population are very much in the under 30 and under 18 range whose risks for dying of Covid are very very low.
Vaccination does remove the risk just reduce it down

Not really getting the fuss about not mask wearing, have been to Tesco's, Sainsburys ,Chemist and School pick up since Monday - everyone still wearing masks. I think we are all more sensible than some people think we are!

@Nicnic91

Not really getting the fuss about not mask wearing, have been to Tesco's, Sainsburys ,Chemist and School pick up since Monday - everyone still wearing masks. I think we are all more sensible than some people think we are!

Me either

Everyone on overground wearing one - nearly maybe one or two not

So those small mitigations people want are there

A lot of people were wearing them on the tube yesterday, but zero people were wearing them properly.

Might as well not bother frankly.

@LemonSwan

The fuck that brigade, with their personal responsibility, which basically translates to "I'm alright jack and did everyone else"

Yeah thats you btw!

'I am alright jack' while minimum wage carers were working through the pandemic unvaccinated caring for those with covid because they kept getting sent out of hospital with covid. To those shop workers who enabled you to eat. To the delivery drivers. To the energy, water, emergency services - you name it.

Was OK for them to keep working wasn't it.

Your fucking turn now. And if you dont want to thats fine. But dont you dare getting on a fucking high horse and stop other people living their lives when thousands in this country risked theirs with no vaccinations for over a year.

You want it all. Food in your shops, delivery to your door, no risk, low infection rates, perpetual lockdowns/ restrictions and for you to be the ones continually wrapped up in cotton wool. Your just take take take. Dont want to take any personal responsibility. Because your all right jack.

And thats that.

Leaving this thread its infuriating.

This says it all. By god, I wish you were running the country!

@LemonSwan

The fuck that brigade, with their personal responsibility, which basically translates to "I'm alright jack and did everyone else"

Yeah thats you btw!

'I am alright jack' while minimum wage carers were working through the pandemic unvaccinated caring for those with covid because they kept getting sent out of hospital with covid. To those shop workers who enabled you to eat. To the delivery drivers. To the energy, water, emergency services - you name it.

Was OK for them to keep working wasn't it.

Your fucking turn now. And if you dont want to thats fine. But dont you dare getting on a fucking high horse and stop other people living their lives when thousands in this country risked theirs with no vaccinations for over a year.

You want it all. Food in your shops, delivery to your door, no risk, low infection rates, perpetual lockdowns/ restrictions and for you to be the ones continually wrapped up in cotton wool. Your just take take take. Dont want to take any personal responsibility. Because your all right jack.

And thats that.

Leaving this thread its infuriating.

Spot on 👏

Well @LemonSwan

You have made points that sitting at home/WFH/entitled/precious/call them what you want types really need to read. The minimum wage brigade that keep the country running have got on with it from the start, without ppe/without masks/vaccines etc and maybe some of them want some life back again.
LemonSwan

The fuck that brigade, with their personal responsibility, which basically translates to "I'm alright jack and did everyone else"

Yeah thats you btw!

'I am alright jack' while minimum wage carers were working through the pandemic unvaccinated caring for those with covid because they kept getting sent out of hospital with covid. To those shop workers who enabled you to eat. To the delivery drivers. To the energy, water, emergency services - you name it.

Was OK for them to keep working wasn't it.

Your fucking turn now. And if you dont want to thats fine. But dont you dare getting on a fucking high horse and stop other people living their lives when thousands in this country risked theirs with no vaccinations for over a year.
You want it all. Food in your shops, delivery to your door, no risk, low infection rates, perpetual lockdowns/ restrictions and for you to be the ones continually wrapped up in cotton wool. Your just take take take. Dont want to take any personal responsibility. Because your all right jack.
And thats that.
Leaving this thread its infuriating.
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THIS 100%

@marieantoinehairnet

Utter rubbish, I was a "keyworker", so was my husband, I have no "privilege" as you put it but clearly you do,

Retaining wearing of masks in certain situations is a bloody no brainer.

Divide and conquer seems to be your modus operandi. There's no them and us, there's a really contagious virus that none of us know how we'll react to.

I'm not suggesting we stay in lockdown, I'm suggesting we take sensible measures to mitigate against future disasters.

YES! Why is it all so black and white? It's awful. It does not have to be all or nothing. Masks, WFH where possible, isolation for contacts, improving ventilation. Until the first vaccine rollout is complete - ie every adult that can be is double jabbed: so maybe another month? Two months? And the rest of the unlocking left in place so yes, cases will rise but not so steeply and we'll have fewer deaths, fewer cases of long Covid and a smaller chance of another variant popping up in this country. I find it so hard to see why that is SO divisive?

@whistlers

A lot of people were wearing them on the tube yesterday, but zero people were wearing them properly.

Might as well not bother frankly.

Do you think they were wearing them properly before Monday?!

@Nicnic91 no I don't, what's your point?

Masks are nothing more than hygiene theatre

Social distancing and isolation for contacts is damaging the country, for negligible benefit.

It's fine for people working from home or retired who can do it without losing their income.

What about the self employed working in industries where social distancing makes business non viable? What about hourly paid staff/self employed who don't get paid when isolating?

There's a survey on the MSE website showing the financial implications of covid and the lockdowns. It's startling how "some" groups of society are actually better off, yet other groups are worse off. The worse off being self employed, younger people.

It's fine for the older, WFH, state employed, pensioned people to sit on their ivory towers as they're not financially crippled by the lockdowns and restrictions.