I understand why people are against vaccine passports but...

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I understand why people are against vaccine passports, but a lot of those most vocal against it are the usual crowd who have been anti-lockdown and anti-mask throughout (and often anti-vaccine). They won't accept vaccine passports but will be the first to complain if and when nightclubs are forced to close again due to the impact of the virus which without vaccines would already be a lot worse with the Delta variant.

They can't always have it both ways.

Imo I think everyone should still be testing. It's not like the vaccine is 100% and there is still a reduced chance that you could be asymptomatic and pass it on.

If it really was for public health then testing wouldn't be potentially getting removed.

Businesses have been telling the government for the past year they don't want the passport. They have been very vocal about this in media and even their own websites. But yet the government are saying that businesses want it. So who do we believe? Maybe the government under FOI should be naming those businesses that want it.

And as for Costa, they are bang out of order not having a paper version for customers and assume that everyone has a smart phone when this really is not the case.

There's an estimated 8% of adults in the UK who still do not own one.

The smartphone penetration rate in the United Kingdom has increased each year, reaching an overall figure of 92 percent in 2021. While the survey modified the division of respondents over the ages of 55 from 2016 onwards, there has been a clear increase in the rate of smartphone ownership among those aged 55 and above. In 2016, less than half of all respondents over the age of 55 owned such a device, a figure that eventually rose to 83 percent in 2021.

www.statista.com/statistics/271851/smartphone-owners-in-the-united-kingdom-uk-by-age/

And if the vaccine is extended to all those over 12, will they also be required to have the passport? It's not like they don't go out independently of their parents. It's not like they don't go to the theatre, cinema and more afterall.

Although Costa have changed their restrictions and have started easing including those in England no longer have to register for track and trace. Scotland and Wales differ due to their restrictions

www.costa.co.uk/withyou/latest-updates

[quote canigooutyet]Although Costa have changed their restrictions and have started easing including those in England no longer have to register for track and trace. Scotland and Wales differ due to their restrictions

www.costa.co.uk/withyou/latest-updates[/quote]
Yes I saw this. I was about to boycott them but have given them the benefit of the doubt as it may have just been the store/assistant.

Ds thinks it could end up including big supermarkets as they could say it is over a certain square footage and some places are definitely bigger than some theatres

I've said this first it starts with clubs, then pubs restaurants, cinemas, then shops, then supermarkets, then to leave house, and that's hardly a conspiracy theory after last year.

There is a big difference between supermarkets and nightclubs/theatres/sporting events. People don't tend to spend a prolonged period of time in close contact with others at Tesco.

You havent heard about the churches then.

And for mosques synogogues and temples. Good luck Tories!!

Depends if your supermarket has a cafe. Lots of people do spend prolonged periods of time sitting in there meeting up with friends. Not to do the shopping, btw, just for the social aspect of it.

The place I was born has very little but does have a massive supermarket with a cafe. It's either meet there and have a tea/coffee or go to the pub which doesn't open till 11 anyway so no good for a cuppa just after 9 when the kids have been dropped off at school.

Those supermarkets cafes are also used for parents with preschoolers to meet up with each other after whatever group has finished.
Same with OAPS, people who live alone just for some adult company.
Could go on.

Even coffee shops can be too big. There's a massive one near where I live now, spread across a couple of floors and a very long time ago it used to be a club.

Then there's pubs that are spread across a couple of floors or really massive as they used to be clubs, bingo halls etc a long time ago. Think even old fire stations have since been converted into something entertainment wise.

And have you seen the size of Mcdonalds and other shops in the West End and in other high streets across the country. Not all are small places on one level.

Think even old fire stations have since been converted into something entertainment wise

Boris should know this. He shut ten of them.

Enidspyton

"Lest we forget,"

@sleepwouldbenice
But many on here are against any solution as the OP says. And when are hear those arguments [or lack of, just minimising covid] then that's when my sympathy starts to really wane

I’m not sure if you’ve stepped in from another thread, but this statement is not true. The government say vaccination passports only, almost all who are opposed are saying testing as an alternative.

Or in my case testing for all, so that on that date the venue know you are safe. Vaccination passports will not do that. Not sure how reading this thread you missed that.

A very interesting video by Dr Suneel Dhand, he is against vaccine passports, gives his reasons and what he prefers as a more effective alternative (testing). Short video, just 5.28 mins.

I’m in Europe; to eat out etc you need to show your ‘green pass’, which is either proof of vax, negative pcr test, or recovery from infection. Pcr home tests are free and widely available here, results back in 12-16 hours.

We used the same system for schools - the kids did 3 pcr tests a week - which meant schools stayed open, instead of the farce you’ve got in the UK.

I don’t see which freedoms are being eroded; no one’s forcing anyone to get vaccinated or do a test. If you want to go and mingle with other people though, it’s fair enough to ask that you’re not infecting them.

sourcherie

Being excluded from participating in society is erosion of freedom and unlike Europe, testing will not be offered as an alternative.

You’re basing your views on the incorrect assumption that everyone is infected, made even more nonsensical by the fact that vaccinated people could still potentially be infected but they don’t have to test.

I believe Macron in France has already said that later this year, you’ll need to be vaccinated to go into restaurants and bars.

So are vaccine ‘passports ‘ going to be a reality here?

@AlecTrevelyan006

I’m going to the theatre tonight - have to download nhs Covid pass to ensure entry

:(

So here’s how it went:

At the door my wife and I were asked to show our nhs Covid pass. Woman just looked at them and said ‘ok, fine in you go’

She didn’t scan them or check ID or anything else so they could have belonged to anyone.

All staff were wearing a mask and there were signs everywhere requesting mask wearing. Id say it was about 50/50 among audience when walking about / bar area / toilets etc. While sat down I’d guess about 10% kept their mask on.

No social distancing- just not possible.

Interestingly the show was sold out but there were quite a few empty seats - whether some couldn’t make this rescheduled date or chose not to because of Covid concerns I don’t know.

Other thing I thought interesting was how quiet it was generally - this was a large city centre venue on a Thursday evening and I was surprised how few people were about. Many of the bars and restaurants were closed and none of those that were open appeared very busy.

I enjoyed the night out but it was also still a bit weird.

[quote Faultymain5]@sleepwouldbenice
But many on here are against any solution as the OP says. And when are hear those arguments [or lack of, just minimising covid] then that's when my sympathy starts to really wane

I’m not sure if you’ve stepped in from another thread, but this statement is not true. The government say vaccination passports only, almost all who are opposed are saying testing as an alternative.

Or in my case testing for all, so that on that date the venue know you are safe. Vaccination passports will not do that. Not sure how reading this thread you missed that.[/quote]
There was an entire thread about the French introducing testing as alternative to vaccine and most posters seemed against both.... maybe they are just more vocal!

@sleepwouldbenice so you were talking about a separate thread and not this one. That makes your comments make sense. But your comment didn’t make sense on this thread as the tone didn’t move in that direction.

nordica

There is a big difference between supermarkets and nightclubs/theatres/sporting events

Not if done on square footage

A big venue is a big venue it makes no reference to whether this is about the size in area the venue is or the amount of people attending.

I think talk of having a vaccine passport to go to night clubs is to encourage younger people to have the vaccine.
The 18-25 age group taking the vaccine has dropped slightly, yet presumably these are the ones spreading it.
We need young people to get the jab if we want to see real results. They need to step up and do their duty.

@Dave20

I think talk of having a vaccine passport to go to night clubs is to encourage younger people to have the vaccine. The 18-25 age group taking the vaccine has dropped slightly, yet presumably these are the ones spreading it. We need young people to get the jab if we want to see real results. They need to step up and do their duty.

Since when has it been acceptable to use the young as a human shield?

Dave20

I think talk of having a vaccine passport to go to night clubs is to encourage younger people to have the vaccine

It might have started out as just night clubs but now includes any large venue which could mean anything from a football stadium to a larger scale supermarket. It now isn’t just nightclubs.

It is also having the opposite effect and people are now getting concerned with the heavy handedness that people are being “encouraged” to have the vaccine