I understand why people are against vaccine passports but...

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I understand why people are against vaccine passports, but a lot of those most vocal against it are the usual crowd who have been anti-lockdown and anti-mask throughout (and often anti-vaccine). They won't accept vaccine passports but will be the first to complain if and when nightclubs are forced to close again due to the impact of the virus which without vaccines would already be a lot worse with the Delta variant.

They can't always have it both ways.

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Mandatory vaccines for care workers is now law. Millions more workers will be affected.

The House of Lords passed the new law after just 90 minutes debate, with a regret motion noting there is insufficient evidence for it and that the severity of impact is unknown.

Agree with who posted since my link. People have collectively lost their fucking minds.

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Police cars revolving lightBREAKING

Mandatory vaccines for care workers is now law. Millions more workers will be affected.

The House of Lords passed the new law after just 90 minutes debate, with a regret motion noting there is insufficient evidence for it and that the severity of impact is unknown.

I wonder how many posting on this and other SM sites in favour of this will now be willing to get there hands dirty for the pay of a care worker?

Their*

[quote Mary1Mary]www.themoscowtimes.com/2021/06/18/moscow-hospitals-to-limit-treatment-to-vaccinated-patients-a74258[/quote]
and
www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jun/26/i-dont-have-a-choice-russians-scramble-to-get-covid-vaccine-amid-new-restrictions

The world has gone worse than mad. It is become dangerous.

Care workers - is that the point for the government? Not enough care workers, with inevitable consequences for the oldest and most vulnerable in the Uk society?

committees.parliament.uk/committee/327/public-administration-and-constitutional-affairs-committee/news/155788/no-justification-for-covid-passports-say-committee/

No justification for the passports

www.gov.uk/government/news/most-vulnerable-could-be-offered-booster-covid-19-vaccines-from-september

The booster isn't being offered to everyone

Now we have reporters possibly facing prison for doing their jobs.
Protests illegal

And people still really think that if the passport crap goes through further restrictions won't be added. The government are seemingly passing laws that only benefit the government.

What next? Once the reporters aren't allowed to report what about citizens? Are we going to be jailed for talking about stuff?

The advisory committee also said no to care workers having the vaccine.

Maybe of interest to people on this thread. The BMJ have been running a series of COVID known unknowns seminars through the pandemic, featuring a range of qualified speakers. The latest is on..........

covid passports and credentials

www.bmj.com/covid-19-webinars

Wow. Things are escalating quickly

Excellent little video there @ IRanSoFarAway1

Gave me the same feeling as when I read the book that must not be named.....seeing everything that has underpinned the last 18 months or so spelled out gives one a bit of a jolt.

I think there are many people who have tried to rationalise, see all the sides, do the best they can and hope that the more extreme strategies would fade away as a sense of proportion was achieved. But it just goes on and on. So many policies seem to be more about politics than public health.

Surely testing is the key to reducing transmission. I keep going back to that. And why aren't they making testing more reliable and accessible? Arbitrary restrictions that are financially punitive aren't the answer.

And I keep coming back to the dangerous "us and them" game being played.

With the laws around protest and now journalism being tightened all at the same time, it's really hard not to think there is an agenda.....

Scrolled down on the Twitter link and someone has posted

Forced or coerced vaccination is a violation of:

1. Nuremberg Code
2. UNESCO Universal Declaration on Bioethics and Human Rights
3. UN International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights
4. UN Universal Declaration of Human Rights 5) Public Health(Control of Disease Act) 1984

Be interesting to see if those bodies mentioned start convening to amend those things in light of the pandemic.

It strikes me that all this, during the hottest week of the year so far, and with protests planned at the weekend may well lead to a tinder box scenario. I really hope not, but it concerns me.

I'm a Double vaxxed, probably soon to be triple vaxxed, mask-wearing HCP who has no intention of setting foot in a nightclub anytime soon.

Along with many others, I am also deeply uncomfortable about vaccine passports. And what might result from them in future. We give up our freedom and our freedom to choose at our peril.

On a purely pragmatic level, if asymptomatic spread is a driver of infection (though I have my doubts about that as studies have wildly differing conclusions about that ) surely reliance on vaccine status is going to create a false sense of security? The important thing, if one is serious about reducing transmission is checking that people are virus free. So, better testing regimes?

You would think so.
Gov doesnt seem interested.

Nor is much said[as far as I know] about people who have already had it.
Does that make no difference to anything at all?

Plus there has been no mention of the exempt with this passport as it only shows vaccination status at the moment

That discriminates people like myself who cannot have it. How many of us are around?

My understanding has always been that it is the combination of measures that will be effective in reducing transmission but no, apparently now only the vaccine will do, despite its newness and lack of long term studies due to that.

Removing the option of having a negative test for crowded venues means discrimination whichever way you look at it, and that it's got precious little to do with public health.

For some reason natural immunity means nothing and you are still told get the vaccination. Have to tried to find anything that explains why and come up empty.
Yet my consultants aren't overly concerned because I have natural immunity. 🤷

If you cant understand why the segregation of society based on a physical feature of their vaccination status is wrong, then all I can say is the government have really done a number on you.

What if it wasnt just passports, what if we started to say unvaccinated cant swim in the same pool as vaccinated, or they have to sit at the back of the bus, or they cannot attend the same schools?

Are we also saying those that CAN'T be vaccinated are now banned from nightclubs?

This is a slippery slope, this kind of segregation of communities has happened before and it never ends well

It is striking me that less and less people are urging vaccine passports.
They have worked out where it can all lead...

Communism anyone?
[apart from those who think they will be ruling over others].

Well you couldn’t make this up:

www.msn.com/en-gb/money/other/bank-of-england-tells-ministers-to-intervene-on-digital-currency-programming/ar-AALhtDP

[quote userperuser]Well you couldn’t make this up:

www.msn.com/en-gb/money/other/bank-of-england-tells-ministers-to-intervene-on-digital-currency-programming/ar-AALhtDP[/quote]
I am on UC. This sounds utterly terrifying.

If we want more people to be vaccinated then bringing in Covid passports is just going to make people stop and think about why the heavy handedness about something that is supposed to be voluntary.

Someone needs to take over this campaign to get people vaccinated that has an ounce of intelligence about how people think.

Making a music video using a song about cult like fake churches and having Jim Broadbent telling you to just have the vaccine was not only toe curlingly awful but I think would have had the opposite effect.
The same with Covid Passports. From what I can see from a few friends of dc. Those who hadn’t had the first jab but were going to have it are now putting it on hold.
They don’t feel comfortable that what was supposed to be voluntary is now being forced.