Who isn't wearing a mask today?

[ItsVousNotMoi]

AIBU not to wear a mask on the train today? What can anyone do to you anyway??

FREEDOM!!!!!!

Sorry how do you know they're not out? You know you can access Mumsnet on a mobile, don't you?

Which is why in my first post about it, I said ‘why are you not out and about AND HAVING FUN?’.... surely they haven’t just waited for their ‘freedom day’, burnt their mask, then gone out mask free to sit on a bench and post on mumsnet. 🤷🏻‍♀️

For those in the know..... I'm sure I could google and get different answers but, from today.... when will we expect to see cases from today's infections? Will the rise be instant?

Right. So you'd rather have he opportunity to insult people than to potentially have a chance at changing their mind.

Or you could take responsibility for your own behaviour?

I've never understood this mentality of "well someone was rude to me online so now I'm going to inflict hurt on the people around me." What has that got to do with how you treat the people you come into contact with offline?

It reminds me of the endless threads about racism, where inevitably someone at some point will claim black posters are responsible for causing racism by not being gentle and kind enough. Like, oh really, you're going to deliberately be racist just because a black poster on a message board wasn't as nice to you as you feel entitled to?

Why on earth would anyone let what anyone on a forum says, affect their actual real life behaviour?

Either you take the pandemic seriously or you don't.

Either you're a selfish person who doesn't care about others, or you're not.

@SippingWhiskeyOutTheBottle

Sorry how do you know they're not out? You know you can access Mumsnet on a mobile, don't you?

Which is why in my first post about it, I said ‘why are you not out and about AND HAVING FUN?’.... surely they haven’t just waited for their ‘freedom day’, burnt their mask, then gone out mask free to sit on a bench and post on mumsnet. 🤷🏻‍♀️

Oh dear me. Just because it's 'freedom day' doesn't mean everyone's responsibilities go out the window you know?

It's such a bizarre statement to make that you think anyone who chooses not to wear a mask anymore should be outside having fun. By the same bizarre thought process perhaps anyone who chooses to wear a mask should be cowering in a corner somewhere. But that would be an unreasonable assumption wouldn't it? Same applies.

@whistlers

What we know now is that the virus is actually transmitted via tiny airborne particles that, in enclosed spaces, stay in the air, waiting to infect someone else. So not only does a mask prevent airborne particles from being released into the air, a mask also prevents us from inhaling those airborne particles.

I want proof for this.

Twenty months or so in, this is hilarious. Also, I would direct you to Google Scholar - quite useful.

@livingwitheds1984

Right. So you'd rather have he opportunity to insult people than to potentially have a chance at changing their mind.

Or you could take responsibility for your own behaviour?

I've never understood this mentality of "well someone was rude to me online so now I'm going to inflict hurt on the people around me." What has that got to do with how you treat the people you come into contact with offline?

It reminds me of the endless threads about racism, where inevitably someone at some point will claim black posters are responsible for causing racism by not being gentle and kind enough. Like, oh really, you're going to deliberately be racist just because a black poster on a message board wasn't as nice to you as you feel entitled to?

Why on earth would anyone let what anyone on a forum says, affect their actual real life behaviour?

Either you take the pandemic seriously or you don't.

Either you're a selfish person who doesn't care about others, or you're not.

You can take responsibility for your own behaviour and not wear a mask, you know that?

For instance some of us purposely go to the supermarket when it's quieter. I don't go near people in the supermarket, except the person on the checkout who is behind a screen (and incidentally the staff in that supermarket don't wear masks anyway)

I don't use public transport. I don't go anywhere indoors and busy anyway.

Who am I endangering?! I don't go near anyone.

If I did go somewhere busy and I felt it necessary id probably wear a mask.

I'm not not going to wear a mask because of vile comments on the internet. I'm not going to wear one because I don't feel it necessary.

What I'm saying is that name calling is not going to make anyone change their mind. And name calling really takes away from your moral highground status, doesn't it?

You're calling people selfish, or dick heads or whatever but what kind of person does that make you?

It's such a bizarre statement to make that you think anyone who chooses not to wear a mask anymore should be outside having fun.

I’m talking about the ones who are shouting very loud about not wearing a mask and that they can’t wait to get out without a mask. Keyboard warriors with no friends and nowhere to go. Fun to be them.

@SippingWhiskeyOutTheBottle

It's such a bizarre statement to make that you think anyone who chooses not to wear a mask anymore should be outside having fun.

I’m talking about the ones who are shouting very loud about not wearing a mask and that they can’t wait to get out without a mask. Keyboard warriors with no friends and nowhere to go. Fun to be them.

Mhm, bit like what you're doing then, no? Just the opposite.

It doesn't have to be so extreme on either side. Comments like yours are inflammatory and you're as bad as those who you're having a go at.

@livingwitheds1984

Right. So you'd rather have he opportunity to insult people than to potentially have a chance at changing their mind.

Or you could take responsibility for your own behaviour?

I've never understood this mentality of "well someone was rude to me online so now I'm going to inflict hurt on the people around me." What has that got to do with how you treat the people you come into contact with offline?

It reminds me of the endless threads about racism, where inevitably someone at some point will claim black posters are responsible for causing racism by not being gentle and kind enough. Like, oh really, you're going to deliberately be racist just because a black poster on a message board wasn't as nice to you as you feel entitled to?

Why on earth would anyone let what anyone on a forum says, affect their actual real life behaviour?

Either you take the pandemic seriously or you don't.

Either you're a selfish person who doesn't care about others, or you're not.

I'm generally in favour of masks if you're able to wear one (I'm exempt myself). But I do understand that for some who don't consider themselves exempt, masks are still difficult to wear for a number of reasons. I also understand that it's not as binary as no mask = selfish and mask = selfless.

I also understand that if I were trying very hard to wear one, but found on occasions I felt unable to, being told I was selfish/not taking the pandemic seriously/not trying hard enough/called a 'covidiot' superspreading twat might make me feel less inclined to place myself in a distressing situation to protect those who abuse me.

As I've said, the vitriol on here is sickening.

I have spent the last year working in a school with numbers of self isolation and positive cases going through the roof!

So I am keeping my mask - no way am I risking it now it's the summer holidays!

The problem is all these places saying we still have to wear them to get in.

Because they’re private businesses and can require masks whether people agree or not. People can also choose to go somewhere else if they don’t like it. I choose go to the places that require them.

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@SippingWhiskeyOutTheBottle

It's such a bizarre statement to make that you think anyone who chooses not to wear a mask anymore should be outside having fun.

I’m talking about the ones who are shouting very loud about not wearing a mask and that they can’t wait to get out without a mask. Keyboard warriors with no friends and nowhere to go. Fun to be them.

And you're not a keyboard warrior? Loool.

@Theredjellybean I think there's a big difference between an empty train and a full train . So in your case I wouldn't wear mask either. Although I would open the window.

@AbsolutelyPatsy trying on clothes in shops is up to individual shops, some are already allowing this .

@awaywiththefae no one has ever said that masks 100% prevent transmission, especially if not worn properly but they are a help, particularly the more people wearing them (surely you have seen the diagram of two people in front of each other with / without masks which was shown around Spring 2020) . Why is it still spreading ? People catch it from friends, family and others they are in close proximity with .

@Idroppedthescrewinthetuna I saw that about QE hospital - worrying particularly as cases in Birmingham nowhere near as high as in the North.

@nc8765, @MyGardenSanctuary The news report about the QE hospital is on BBC website 

@phoenixrosehere

The problem is all these places saying we still have to wear them to get in.

Because they’re private businesses and can require masks whether people agree or not. People can also choose to go somewhere else if they don’t like it. I choose go to the places that require them.

I wonder how long it will be before a business denies entry to a person unable to wear a mask, and learns that discrimination against those with disabilities/health conditions is not good for business?

@phoenixrosehere

The problem is all these places saying we still have to wear them to get in.

Because they’re private businesses and can require masks whether people agree or not. People can also choose to go somewhere else if they don’t like it. I choose go to the places that require them.

So which are the businesses saying we have to wear them to get in?

And you're not a keyboard warrior? Loool.

No, just someone who has vulnerable friends and family who have found people’s attitudes very upsetting. Don’t wear a mask, people don’t need to be so in couldn’t give a fuck’ ‘what’s anyone going to do about it anyway’ about it. You can not wear a mask and have a considerate attitude about it.

be so ‘I couldn’t....

@gardeninggirl68

For those in the know..... I'm sure I could google and get different answers but, from today.... when will we expect to see cases from today's infections? Will the rise be instant?

My understanding is that it's approx 5 days from contact before someone gets symptoms, so if they booked PCR on symptoms showing this would be registered around 6-7 days after contact . Someone doing regular LFTS might have positive test earlier than that.

I think that all published stats run a week behind .

Therefore you wouldn't expect to see any changes in case number published until about a fortnight after the event .

Ah right @shinynewapple21 thanks for answering

So retailers should prepare for a flurry of staff isolating/positive in about a weeks time then

God help us! We are already running on empty

I wonder how long it will be before a business denies entry to a person unable to wear a mask, and learns that discrimination against those with disabilities/health conditions is not good for business?

It's even less good for business for public facing workers to get ill. Or the customers.

Having said that, for the small percentage that genuinely can't wear a mask for 10-30 min, there should be procedures to facilitate access to said business.

Having said that, for the small percentage that genuinely can't wear a mask for 10-30 min, there should be procedures to facilitate access to said business

There always have been. You declare yourself exempt and in you go. It's not suddenly got more strict.

@MaxNormal

Having said that, for the small percentage that genuinely can't wear a mask for 10-30 min, there should be procedures to facilitate access to said business

There always have been. You declare yourself exempt and in you go. It's not suddenly got more strict.

This is true, yet suddenly (now there's no actual law to be exempt from) it seems that individual businesses will be making up their own rules. And the judgement from others has also ramped up a gear.

Of course I will be. I'm actually wearing it more now than I was a month ago, rates are skyrocketing!

This is true, yet suddenly (now there's no actual law to be exempt from) it seems that individual businesses will be making up their own rules. And the judgement from others has also ramped up a gear

I feel like it's actually made it more divisive, and I never thought I'd say this but I'm in a way glad to be in Scotland where it's still mandated but with exemptions. I wear my lanyard and I've never had any hassle anywhere yet.