Anyone absolutely dreading the figures next week after Wembley

[Homeontherangeuk]

49 deaths reported today, 50 yesterday & 42,000 cases plus today, I am feeling very nervous about the weeks ahead... The govt simply have to man up & take ownership of this escalating catastrophe....

I didn't see many pensioners in the crowd

Millions of pensioners live in London. Many in or near to Wembley.

Millions of CV and CEV too.

Also Long Covid means Covid is definitely not a risk 'only for the elderly and vulnerable'.

The WHO has described the Euro crowds in London as devastating.

No, I don't care either. We need to get on with our lives.

Over the last 5 years the UK has averaged around 600k deaths per year, or 1650 each and every day. Today, 50 people died within 28 days of a positive test. Why aren't we going mental over the other 1600? Who's to say that of those 50, 40% of them ended up in hospital for something unrelated and were infected in hospital, like so many have been in the past, and died of something else?
There was an article in our local paper a few weeks ago claiming that ICU admissions had DOUBLED in the last week. They went from 3 to 6. 3 of which had come in clean and then ended up catching it. One was only in ICU because he'd been seriously assaulted but was clear on admission. The others were over 50 and unvaccinated.
I'm pretty sure we are going to see higher numbers of deaths over the next few weeks but I feel they should release better stats about the vaccination status of those who died, it might help to get more of those who don't want to be vaccinated to change their mind.

Significant numbers of Covid patients die (from Covid related causes) long after 28 days.

And again. Long Covid.

@PopcornMuncher

No, I couldn't care less

Glad I'm not the only one!

I feel bad but this is something I would never even think about; imagining catastrophe. Deal with things if the worst happens.

And is 50 now the new 'elderly'?
The retirement age needs to go down (a lot) in that case. Can the 'past it' over 50s stop paying tax?

That's a massive proportion of the workforce. The over 50s. Including huge numbers of healthcare workers and teachers.

Nope. I've lost count of the number of events that were supposed to lead to some massive spike and didn't. And that was even before the LFTs and the vaccines.

@Tealightsandd

Significant numbers of Covid patients die (from Covid related causes) long after 28 days.

And again. Long Covid.

Post viral syndrome has been a thing for quite a while now, but "Long covid" grabs so many more headlines, doesn't it? People also die of natural causes, sometimes with issues that end up with them in hospital where they are even more likely to catch it than they are on the tube. Something like like 40% of all cases are from hospitals I seem to remember reading. My lungs are in a shocking state after having double pneumonia 3 years ago. Do I have long double pneumonia? Nah, that's not flavour of the month at the moment. I'm 50, much like those in the ICU department of my local hospital. The difference between us is I chose to accept my vaccinations and they didn't. I hope they pull through.

I've generally withdrawn from debating this issue as I think it's become quite toxic, and both "sides" are rather entrenched in their views with lots of vitriol being spewed. Obviously that doesn't apply to everyone, but certainly enough to make it deeply unpleasant most of the time.

I'm double vaccinated but cautious by nature. I have 2 autistic DC who absolutely wouldn't go near a needle even if the vaccine was available, and who tend to have a really rough time when ill. We home educate now (for SEN reasons unrelated to COVID) and I'm very keen for my DC to avoid picking it up.

However, I recognise we can't stay locked down forever, and the arguments over easing restrictions during summer make sense. I think however, just saying fuck it, don't bother with anything any more - despite the rising number of cases and hospital admissions - is a bit reckless from the government. Keeping some restrictions - as Scotland suggest re masks - would be far more sensible, especially given the current rise.

I suspect - and I might be wrong - that the schools breaking up may provide a means to the numbers levelling off. Round here at least there have been multiple cases in children I know, the schools seem riddled with COVID right now - which hasn't been the case before. Breaking up for the summer holidays and giving time for more vaccinations might be what's needed to prevent bigger problems in autumn/winter. Let's hope so.

The WHO has described the Euro crowds in London as devastating

Weren't there crowds in several European cities for the euros? What I saw on TV looked like normal, packed matches. Why is just London "devastating"?

The fallout from Sunday will be absolute carnage.

Forget Wembley, I'm concerned about all the drunk sweaty men in the pubs who passed Covid onto their wives, children, and parents.

100000 cases a day here we come.

@Buzzinwithbez

They seem to be plateuing according to the Zoe app.

Zoe has been saying that for the last month now.

It's lost all credibility in my eyes.

@SmidgenofaPigeon

Really? You’re saying huge numbers of people attending Wembley were actually secretly positive so had to borrow a mate’s negative test?

I don’t think so.

I guess you didn't see the thread yesterday where a poster's sister went to get vaccinated four days after a positive PCR? This pandemic has shown that a lot of people are thick and selfish. Hopefully the number of people who used a mate's test because theirs was positive was low (I'm willing to bet it wasn't zero or even one though) but I'm sure there are loads who used their mate's test because they couldn't be bothered or didn't want to do the test because they're unpleasant. Add in the high false negativee rate and there were probably hundreds of people there with covid. It's not just Wembley that was full of people, pubs and streets up and down the country had drunk people cheek to jowl.

@Dustyboots

They seem to be plateuing according to the Zoe app.

Why do you trust the Zoe app?

There's no plateauing if you look at the actual figures

I've watched it for a year. It has been a good early warning system for spring trends before the actual figures and started to show this latest wave well before the actual figures did.

Unfortunately I know someone who has faked a lat flow test before a large event.
It must go in in droves..
For some reason I don't feel as worried, which maybe totally false and jinxing myself.
Dd teen finishes school this week, cases are climbing at her school, I'm at home, dh work from home so hopefully we can stay contained..

Just one dd in primary to get through which is concerning..
This wave is going to happen and I'd certainly rather get it over with now in summer however I don't agree with dropping masks and for the life of me I can't understand why they never push ventilation at the presses

Spotting trends

You don't need to use a mates test with lat flow you simply record it as negative

@Dustyboots

They seem to be plateuing according to the Zoe app.

Why do you trust the Zoe app?

There's no plateauing if you look at the actual figures

Zoe app data pointed to changes in symptoms to include sore throat, headache, sneezing etc being more prevalent now than cough, temperature etc long ago too...

I'm not really bothered about the crowds and covid but the violence, hooliganism and people breaking into Wembley was very concerning though

I don't think it will be Wembly itself that causes issues (outdoors, relatively well controlled, vaccinations and testing required) but all the socialising that went on away from Wembly.

I saw most of the games in the pub. The first one, tables of six, masks if you went to the loo, little mixing. By the last one it was a free for all with at least 50% (probably) of an age not to have been vaccinated.

Plus all the groups of much more than six at home.

@RedRiverShore

I'm not really bothered about the crowds and covid but the violence, hooliganism and people breaking into Wembley was very concerning though

This.

We’ve all become so scared of Covid we’ve forgotten there are other very real threats to our society.

Yesterday there was a thread where the overwhelming response was that people asked to isolate before their holiday would ignore it and go anyway. That was perfectly reasonable, but the suggestion that football fans may have done the same to be able to attend the biggest event of their lifetime...

*Zoe has been saying that for the last month now.

It's lost all credibility in my eyes.

It's shown daily increases since late May. Sometimes they've slowed but they've never flattened.

@Bagelsandbrie Some of us have a legitimate reason to be scared of Covid. My DS1 doesn't want to die at the age of 30. He still could, but if he catches Covid it will be almost a certainty.