Will we be locking down again this year?

[Vindawoo]

Sorry, I'm sure it's been done to death

But do you think we will lock down again this year or are we done for now? Seems unlikely given the new blasé attitude of Boris etc - He seems to care less now

@frumpety I know that! I'm
A nurse. Although in paediatrics Bronc season causes enormous problems every single winter. It's far more of an issue than Covid is for children. It cripples all children's wards every winter. So we can't get worked up over Covid.

I bloody well hope not. We're already more than 2 trillion pounds in debt and Sunak is aware of this. We cannot afford another lockdown but it's unlikely anyway because of the vaccines. And as a PP said, hospitals are full every winter.

It's a real risk. Allowing Covid to spread wildly now vastly increases the chance of a mutation that escapes the vaccine. Since they produced the vaccines we've already become almost entirely Delta cases, which it's less effective against. We'll be a couple more variants along by autumn no doubt.

Hope soon because there is no other problems apart from COVID

Aw wait

“ Hospitals preparing for a major surge in respiratory viruses in infants due to lower immunity caused by Covid lockdowns”

So we’re protecting our kids from COVID via lock for down by causing other respiratory issues (which tend to be more in winter burn la might be in coming weeks)

But why would we lockdown again if there hospitals are not full? There has to be a reason to lockdown.

Some hospitals in Scotland and the NE are already cancelling routine operations and outpatients because they're at capacity. Now. Not in the winter when flu hits as well. Not in a few weeks when the Euro mixing and restriction lifting hits. Now.

@peachgreen

The NHS workers I know have been given instructions to prepare for "the next lockdown" this winter. To be honest I was quite surprised by that. I think lockdowns are a thing of the past and the Government will just let it rip through the population now.

NHS staff will always be asked to prepare for a variety of situations. It's called contingency planning. It doesn't mean it's likely to happen however.

I won't be surprised if there's another lockdown. There's a huge backlog with the NHS so an increase of cases and new variant can lead to enough hospitalizations to put services at risk.

On a personal note I don't mind all that much as long as nurseries stay open and furlough & wfh returns as that was working quite well for me. I don't care much about holidays, pubs/shops etc being closed.

I will not be locking down again, and I will not be wearing a mask beyond 19th July, regardless of whatever is decreed.

@Mixmeup

But why would we lockdown again if there hospitals are not full? There has to be a reason to lockdown.

Some hospitals in Scotland and the NE are already cancelling routine operations and outpatients because they're at capacity. Now. Not in the winter when flu hits as well. Not in a few weeks when the Euro mixing and restriction lifting hits. Now.

Ne has got currently around 600 people in hospital. The highest number I can see is around 3.5k people in hospital , so 1/6. Still a long way to go for full capacity. Could it be more related with lack of workers because of isolation rather than because of bed capacity ?

On a personal note I don't mind all that much as long as nurseries stay open and furlough & wfh returns as that was working quite well for me. I don't care much about holidays, pubs/shops etc being closed

On a personal note, I don't give a toss about nurseries, furlough or wfh, as none of those affect me. Hospitality being open does, though, so on a personal note, any further lockdown can, quite frankly, fuck off.

Just shows how differently we are all affected.

Just so I know is the proposal from a lot of posters that we lockdown indefinitely to prevent the NHS being overstretched ever again? Because that really is what it seems some people are getting at. We live half lives indefinitely with constant threats of lockdowns looming over us? never being able to plan anything with a degree of certainty that it will actually go ahead? Because that really isn’t living at all! Lockdowns need to be taken off the table completely and the NHS funded appropriately. It’s not societies responsibility to stop the NHS being busy at the expense of everything else!!

@Katie517 well yes, quite!

The NHS was about to be overwhelmed in winter 2019 but no one gave it a second though because it wasn’t COVID.

Yes

Someone from work shared some Twitter account that suggests how to get rid of COVID
For it we’d need to
12 month hard lockdown - including closing the borders for 10 years,
anyone with a legit reason to enter the country must spend 28 days in hotel quarantine, limited shops open run by keyworkers who must live apart from their families for the duration,
all schooling online
, permits required to leave the house, no outside exercise allowed, only allowed to leave the house once a week for shopping
Non essential shops closed

For some posters this would be paradise ! For some others … don’t wait for me to stay in this country

@EasterIssland

Someone from work shared some Twitter account that suggests how to get rid of COVID For it we’d need to 12 month hard lockdown - including closing the borders for 10 years, anyone with a legit reason to enter the country must spend 28 days in hotel quarantine, limited shops open run by keyworkers who must live apart from their families for the duration, all schooling online , permits required to leave the house, no outside exercise allowed, only allowed to leave the house once a week for shopping Non essential shops closed

For some posters this would be paradise ! For some others … don’t wait for me to stay in this country

It would be a hard year but I think it'd be worth it for Zero Covid.

As a teacher my biggest fear is school closures due to staff contracting covid. As we are not sending contacts home we could be in front of maskless and asymptomatic kids. It's spread through my school this term like wildfire and over half our kids are off (high school).

Teachers catch it and schools can't stay open - whether mild/serious etc.

“It would be a hard year but I think it'd be worth it for Zero Covid.”

1. You’ll always have people that must come to the country that you risk bringing the virus in so in 13 months when there is zero COVID you’ll risk other variants. And you will have to start again. Look what’s happening with those countries that took the zero approach and every few weeks have got a new case and lockdown again.

1. You’ll replace zero deaths with thousands of suicides. Who wants to live with no right to step on the street and socialise ? Is that the future you want for your grandchildren @NannyAndJohn?

@Pieceofpurplesky

As a teacher my biggest fear is school closures due to staff contracting covid. As we are not sending contacts home we could be in front of maskless and asymptomatic kids. It's spread through my school this term like wildfire and over half our kids are off (high school).

Teachers catch it and schools can't stay open - whether mild/serious etc.

If I understand right kids/teachers would have to test everyday won’t they ? Or is it only over 12s?

Well bang goes the willingness for any more jabs if they do.

@nocoolnamesleft

Look what's happening in NE hospitals. And 20% of the people in ITU have had both jabs. Boris releasing all controls is insanity.

Can you provide the source for the 20% figure please? I've been looking for this kind of data bit not found much. From what I have heard the results coming out of America are that under 10% of those in hospital (not even in ITU) are double vaccinated so very different figures to what you are quoting.

@EasterIssland

“It would be a hard year but I think it'd be worth it for Zero Covid.”

1. You’ll always have people that must come to the country that you risk bringing the virus in so in 13 months when there is zero COVID you’ll risk other variants. And you will have to start again. Look what’s happening with those countries that took the zero approach and every few weeks have got a new case and lockdown again.

1. You’ll replace zero deaths with thousands of suicides. Who wants to live with no right to step on the street and socialise ? Is that the future you want for your grandchildren *@NannyAndJohn*?

Not a full lockdown, Australia and NZ just reintroduce restrictions for a couple of days and after that everyone is free to do what they want.

And with no cases we may actually have a chance of getting a proper Track and Trace system implemented.

0Not a full lockdown, Australia and NZ just reintroduce restrictions for a couple of days and after that everyone is free to do what they want.”

Az and nz are importing the cases from people that must go to the country. Same as uk would in 12-13 still import cases from abroad as there is people that must come into the country so zero COVID would be really difficult to mantain

“And with no cases we may actually have a chance of getting a proper Track and Trace system implemented.
“

Why do you want t&t if there are no cases and anyway 90% of the population will be staying at home ? What are they going to be tracking!

You’ve not answers my question. Is this the life you want for your grandchildren ? Not seeing them for a year ? Not being able to socialise with kids of their age. Their education fully impacted. If something happens to your family members you can’t see them. Forget about bdays and special dates. Stay at home.

@Blessex

But why would we lockdown again if there hospitals are not full? There has to be a reason to lockdown.

Chris Whitty said they were working on a double up theory, so if the capacity is 100 beds and we have 50 people needing them, then we have to bring back measures because soon it will reach the maximum capacity. So basically we have to look out for when 50% of beds are taken up with COVID patients, perhaps slightly less as they will need beds for non COVID patients too.

Yes sadly I think it’s a certainty