New Boris Statement: Where is this going?

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‘We recommend masks but only recommend them’
‘Deaths will increase and we may reach 100,000 new cases per day’
‘We must open now and if not now, when?’
‘The slower we take it, the smaller number of people will die’
‘Return to the office of you can, otherwise keep working from home’

Just before Boris spoke, there was a BBC piece claiming that 10-20% of all Covid cases (mild, without symptoms, or otherwise) will be long-Covid cases of some sort or another. Now there a million long-Covid cases.

Are we aiming for herd immunity? Anyone else think this is going to be confusing for most and lead to a default setting of ‘normal’? Where is this going?

I imagine the worst will pan out in shitholes like certain areas of the north west, where most people are tired, poor and not altogether educated in general. I know this because ive lived there in the past, and they will be the ones hardest hit, and so will their hospitals.

I also find it darkly amusing that so much focus is on people working in offices, when only 37% of the population have been wfh. Outside of covid, only around 27% worked from home (myself included), so we are a relative minority - but they are the only ones who matter! The rest off the population and those stuck with public transport can clearly fuck themselves.

So yes, I expect it to go nuts in shitty areas, and those who live in decent environments possibly won't feel the worst of it.

I wonder if the future will provide a well funded health and mental health service that treats those with long covid with decency. I can't really imagine the benefits system will care, and this will be even further compounded by UC payments dropping down to their usual rate once more. Those who end up depending on this will become the new 'scroungers', and sadly, most of those in secure work will fall for the spiel.

To sum it up, those trapped in urban shit holes will pay for this, and the rest of us will probably be ok. No change there then.

@Jenasaurus

Boris has combed his hair, whats he hiding

😂

That said, I want to see an end to restrictions, too, but I can appreciate both sides.

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NannyAndJohn

The vulnerable, pregnant women, and children completely thrown to the wolves.

I could weep.

I could fucking weep.

Well yes, that's because you're a massive drama queen 🤷‍♀️

😂😂😂😂

@EverythingWillFallInLine

How can we achieve herd immunity if catching it doesn't make you immune?

It does.

@Lemonmelonsun

Chris whitty has been stumbling through out.

What rubbish to go steady how can business go steady?

Oh ventilation!! At last!!

I'm pretty sure they have his family locked in a basement or they've got massive dirt on him. He can't possibly believe what he's saying - the hospitalisation figures clearly show that we're only about two doublings behind the autumn wave. Vallance is towing the line much less - he clearly doesn't agree with what's happening but seems reluctant to directly contradict what the other two are saying (if you listen carefully to what he said, he never actually agreed about any of it).

@QueenStromba

“I'm pretty sure they have his family locked in a basement or they've got massive dirt on him. He can't possibly believe what he's saying”

Or maybe, just maybe, he knows more than you.

To sum it up, those trapped in urban shit holes will pay for this, and the rest of us will probably be ok. No change there then.

Yep. There was something Whitty has said previously about how if you put the map of deprivation as illustrated by child deaths in the 1850s on top of a map showing the worst hit areas for Covid today, they match almost exactly.
Historic underfunding and lack of care by government after government. Shameful.

We have had a strategy of sacrificing education to save our elderly.

That cannot be sustainable.

@bumbleymummy not for very long it would appear - I know a doctor, a paramedic and a house of students that have now had covid twice - the doctor and paramedic having been double jabbed in between first and second infections of covid.
With this line of unlocking we've to very much worry about the ambulance service - the paramedic that came out to assess our 11yr old on Friday (she's got covid - paramedic sent by 111) said they are quickly becoming swapped. I was told that our category of call out meant they aimed to be with us in 18minutes but not to be surprised if it were 55minutes as they were very busy!

No we haven't. We've had to curtail education because the government couldn't control the spread despite having emergency powers, access to tech and billions of pounds of public funds at their disposal.

They don't want to take responsibility for what happens, so giving us the choice, so whatever happens, it's our fault.

@NannyAndJohn

The vulnerable, pregnant women, and children completely thrown to the wolves.

I could weep.

I could fucking weep.

Oh for goodness sake. Pull yourself together.

I really don't think it's going to be as awful as people say. The NHS will not become overwhelmed,businesses can reopen at full capacity and schools can go ahead as normal. Life is about to get easier I feel.

@roguetomato exactly!!

BBC piece claiming that 10-20% of all Covid cases (mild, without symptoms, or otherwise) will be long-Covid cases of some sort or another. Now there a million long-Covid cases
‘long covid’ is the BBC desperately clinging to the sensational and unproven to appeal to its dwindling audience of gullibles. Who else watched ot these days except the terminally thick?

I’m imagining us all walking around very slowly

"Be cautious" is just the 2021 spin on "stay alert - control the virus" (I imagined everyone as meerkats for stay alert)

I heard part of the press conference and I think it’s pretty confusing. Johnson said we should wear masks in crowded indoor places where we are with people we don’t see normally for example public transport but we don’t have to. That really is abdicating responsibility in my view. Wearing a mask largely protects the people around you from the possibility you have Covid but doesn’t protect you so much. Already lots of people aren’t bothering with masks on public transport and shops and aren’t challenged removing the legal obligation will just be a green light to those who only think about themselves.

I also feel that the “if not now, when?” argument should be tested. I get that if the NHS has to cope with a big surge of Covid it’s better that it happens in the Summer than the Winter but how about we try and prevent the big surge full stop rather than shrugging our shoulders and saying it’s inevitable so let’s just throw away masks and stop social distancing?

If we suppress with masks and social distancing while vaccinating won’t that mean that some people who we’d rather caught it in the summer than the winter won’t catch it at all?

And with children if we just let Covid rip then won’t all under 18s catch it pretty much? I already know several under 18s who’ve caught Covid twice. If they’re all going to get infected anyway then isn’t it safer to vaccinate them?

@TeddingtonTrashbag

BBC piece claiming that 10-20% of all Covid cases (mild, without symptoms, or otherwise) will be long-Covid cases of some sort or another. Now there a million long-Covid cases ‘long covid’ is the BBC desperately clinging to the sensational and unproven to appeal to its dwindling audience of gullibles. Who else watched ot these days except the terminally thick?

I'm not sure that the BBC is for the "terminally thick"? Where does a Masters-holding intellectual like yourself get your news from? By osmosis?

@NotPersephone you are spot on

@NotPersephone

There seems to be a strong correlation between long Covid and over-generous sickness terms in the public sector. I doubt it’s a coincidence.

Yes, same with a lot of other illnesses. No one in my large private sector office has got long covid. Could just be a coincidence though.

There seems to be a strong correlation between long Covid and over-generous sickness terms in the public sector. I doubt it’s a coincidence.

NotPersephone can you post a source for that please?

So is the NHS building rehab services just for their own staff/school staff/police?
I doubt it.