New Boris Statement: Where is this going?

[DadAManger]

‘We recommend masks but only recommend them’
‘Deaths will increase and we may reach 100,000 new cases per day’
‘We must open now and if not now, when?’
‘The slower we take it, the smaller number of people will die’
‘Return to the office of you can, otherwise keep working from home’

Just before Boris spoke, there was a BBC piece claiming that 10-20% of all Covid cases (mild, without symptoms, or otherwise) will be long-Covid cases of some sort or another. Now there a million long-Covid cases.

Are we aiming for herd immunity? Anyone else think this is going to be confusing for most and lead to a default setting of ‘normal’? Where is this going?

@MercyBooth

Speaking of benefits and security.....

we received a PIP letter over the weekend There have been some changes in the PIP law that affect how PIP claims are decided. (in our case it says DH isnt affected) but here is a list from the back of the letter.

The people affected by these changes will most likely have a severe
cognitive impairment
intellectual impairment
developmental impairment
mental health condition.
Or a condition affecting the brain and nervous system with symptoms such as
blackouts fits or faints with loss of consciousness.

I am not 100% but from what I gather from a swift Google, it is conditions that will no longer require a face-to-face assessment. Which would make sense as an assessment for the conditions listed could be very distressing (not saying it is not for any other conditions). But it is bad form to not be given more details because you are just left stressed and wondering.

From a lifelong Labour voter who will never vote Labour again.
And hopefully, after this shit show, you won’t vote conservative either? Especially given your post re the PIP (I’ve assumed they mean they’re changing it for the worse?)

@mrshoho

And let's repeat it there is no plans to vaccinate our youth... we are the only country not doing this.

What the hell are we marching this generation in to? Of all the ill judged decisions taken I feel this one is going to really come back to haunt us.

‘Only country not vaccinating their youth’ - are you kidding me? You realise that there are loads of countries that can’t even vaccinate their hcps and vulnerable yet? And people here are clamouring to vaccinate children who are known to be incredibly low risk based on over 12 months of data?

www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-57766717

www.researchsquare.com/article/rs-689684/v1

www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.07.01.21259785v1

Some people really need to get a grip.

@SomeKindOfFloppyWeirdo Ive never voted Tory in my life and never will.

I think the next general election could prove interesting.

The vaccination rate has dropped in males between 18 and 24. This thread discusses why

twitter.com/macharightnow/status/1414627084945793024?s=20

Perhaps those young males might think again if they were told about the suspected link between Long Covid and ED.

www.independent.co.uk/news/health/long-covid-symptom-erectile-dysfunction-b1879578.html

@Backofbeyond50

Imo BJ is washing his hands of the situation and putting the ball firmly in businesses and individuals to decide for themselves. So when it goes tits up we get the blame not him and his inadequate Govt.

Oh no.

Boris and the government are the CEOs.

They are given money from taxpayers to run the country. If he wants to abdicate that responsibility, then he also must stop taking the payment.

The buck stops with the government.

@SonnetForSpring

I'm concerned about viral load and severity of corresponding infection.

It's definitely a concern.

@bumbleymummy

Those figures include 3 lockdowns (almost half the surveillance period), large amounts of people working from home, masks, social distancing , no mass events, the initial phase with virtually no covid testing and vaccinations for adults in the last 6 months of surveillance. So yes on the face of it nice and reassuring but it’s not accurate to extrapolate to a population with no vaccine coverage, in conditions with poor ventilation and no distancing, no suppression measures in the general population etc.

twitter.com/tnewtondunn/status/1414668302148833287?s=20

Tom Newton Dunn
@tnewtondunn
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The Government will make domestic vaccine passports the law for large venues if they don't introduce them voluntarily now. Quite a threat, contained within a new Step 4 policy document released tonight.
assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1001343/Moving-to-step-4-of-the-roadmap.pdf

twitter.com/tnewtondunn/status/1414669910471581705?s=20

Replying to
@tnewtondunn
Another nugget from the document: this week's new guidance for people and businesses is just for the summer. A review will be published in September which could toughen the rules further for the Winter - presumably meaning the return of mandatory restrictions.

According to the worldometer site there are currently 664,000 cases in the UK. Of those around 2700 are in hospital and 417 are classed as serious or critical.
I'm sure the hospital cases will rise as will those that are serious. Other countries with a similar number of cases are experiencing serious cases in the many thousands and a fuck load more deaths.

In answer to the OP the rest of the public are going to be blamed for the spread that will be caused by Wembley and Wimbledon. I think thats the real reason for the four week delay.

The nhs won't 'buckle' now. They know it isn't likely to flare up again to put any real extra stress on it. Nhs wise we are probably out of the woods. And that's all that really matters

@NotPersephone

There seems to be a strong correlation between long Covid and over-generous sickness terms in the public sector. I doubt it’s a coincidence.

Don't be ridiculous, there will be people with long covid who will get next to nothing if they end up on benefits. Many people already have to live like that because of illnesses that the government don't believe exist.

@quiteathome

I know two people with long Covid. It is really shit for them. Hopefully they will be able to find treatments for that soon, and it helps the people with ME etc.

Hopefully yes, there will be many people unfortunately who are about to find out what it's been like for people with ME/CFS for decades.

@prettyLittlefool

The nhs won't 'buckle' now. They know it isn't likely to flare up again to put any real extra stress on it. Nhs wise we are probably out of the woods. And that's all that really matters

But it is buckling. With a backlog of millions and rising covid admissions, each one of which pushes back another amount of treatments because of the intensity required in terms of staffing and space and equipment. As hospitalisations rise - which they are, although thankfully nothing like in the last waves - the pressure will increase, more treatments pushed back, the backlog grows, the NHS groans under the weight of it. It's happening everywhere and many nhs staff are seriously worried.

[quote BungleandGeorge]@bumbleymummy

Those figures include 3 lockdowns (almost half the surveillance period), large amounts of people working from home, masks, social distancing , no mass events, the initial phase with virtually no covid testing and vaccinations for adults in the last 6 months of surveillance. So yes on the face of it nice and reassuring but it’s not accurate to extrapolate to a population with no vaccine coverage, in conditions with poor ventilation and no distancing, no suppression measures in the general population etc.[/quote]
And those measures still didn’t stop the thousands of adults dying during that time period. I think that all the scientists who have repeatedly pointed out that old age is the most significant risk factor are correct.

Not 'probaby out of the woods' at all.

twitter.com/docfawcett/status/1414136627153231873?s=19

None of it fills me with much confidence - I am as scared about catching it as I was last year, even though I am twice vaccinated. I have to go to an event today (first since February 2020) where there will be about 30 people, most of whom I don't know. It is indoors and I am extremely concerned about the whole thing. I don't want to go but have to out of respect for the deceased person. I don't want to feel like this!

Interesting how that now Boris has said restrictions are going to be lifted, that there are all manner of comments that were and have been accused of "doom mongering" in the last 15 months.
The same comments are strangely, not "doom mongering" now??!

The nhs won't 'buckle' now.
Potential waiting listshittibg 13 million is hardly good though.
news.sky.com/story/covid-19-nhs-hospital-waiting-lists-could-reach-13-million-in-coming-months-sajid-javid-warns-12353339

I read somewhere yesterday that there is a test for long covid in the pipeline, which would be reassuring for those suffering. That would then shut up those saying it's all in their heads, and shut up those who are making it up!

(Thinks of poster the other week who claimed to be suffering from long covid.... one week after a positive test!!!!!!)

We’re not really going to be able to make a start on the waiting list with between 600-2000 covid admissions a day on top of normal winter admissions.

I don’t think that the NHS’ position is that it’s fine and we won’t have a problem now. Most of what I can see is organisations warning the exact opposite if this reopening goes ahead.

Can it tell if someone has had it in the past?
Thankfully, out of all the people I know, there were only 2 or 3 who doubted me[I had long covid for 8 months].
Now that it is being talked about a lot more mainstream, I am having people come up to me in real life and asking more questions about it. I think they think that now they are double vaccinated, their next thing for them to be concerned about personally, is long covid.

Where’s this going ? “Yeah I’m it’s going rip through, let’s hope not to many die , but you can use your common sense and then you’ll only have yourself to blame “

That’s where.