Govt realises that loads of people getting covid might actually be an issue

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Sam Coates of Sky News is tweeting that Whitehall is getting concerned about the sheer number of people who will be having to isolate in the coming days, some from getting covid, and some from having to isolate.

"One source said gvt modelling done under Hancock suggested this scale cd potentially compromise transport and healthcare"

"One government source called this another lockdown by the back door"

twitter.com/samcoatessky/status/1413224477450817536?s=21

Apparently the plan is to make the app less sensitive so that fewer people have to isolate.

Stopping isolations increases infections so not necessarily a great solution.

I'm sure all the planning is well in hand though.

1- It’s not enforceable though is it.

2- It’s pinging people in the wrong circumstances such as the next door neighbour.

@PurpleDaisies

That may be the case, but it doesn’t matter what anyone thinks on here. They’re opening up and that’s that.

It’s a discussion forum. For discussing what people think.

I didn’t say not to discuss it, I said the outcome is going to be the same regardless.

They’re not deleting the app because they want to do the right thing if they’re alerted as potentially becoming infectious. Not because they particularly fancy having ten days off

Meanwhile back in the real world…

@Sparklingbrook

They’re not deleting the app because they want to do the right thing if they’re alerted as potentially becoming infectious. Not because they particularly fancy having ten days off

Meanwhile back in the real world…

Exactly!!!

Haven't read the whole thread but thanks for raising the possibility of them charging for LFTs - off to order some more now

I would say there is a massive u turn coming. Boris lines his u turns…

@Bunnyfuller

Just read the headline:

Oh dear, the app is picking up loads more contacts (because it is spreading like wildfire)

Hmmm what shall we do? Ha! Let’s turn it down then we won’t have to admit we’re letting it explode!

Yes and at the same time reduce testing capacity. Gov know how high cases are going to rise so already know that the testing labs will not be physically capable of processing the amount needed.

That may be the case, but it doesn’t matter what anyone thinks on here. They’re opening up and that’s that.

This reminds me of the Reeves and Mortimer sketch where they cover Run DMC whilst dressed as Jeremy Paxman: "It's like that, and that's THE WAY IT BLOODY IS!" accompanied by a stamped foot.

TableFlowerss totally agree with everything you're saying.

I really think that quite a lot of people have bought into the 'control the virus' spiel so hard that they believe that if we play our cards right Covid will actually go away. But it's not. Not even if every one of us in this country right now is vaccinated. There is never now going to be a 'Covid Free' world.

For the majority if you've had your jabs you probably won't even know you've caught it. That's as good as it's ever going to get.

What are 'the scientists' saying is the correct proportion of double vacs to come out then? Is there an actual consensus on this? Genuine Q.

What are 'the scientists' saying is the correct proportion of double vacs to come out then? Is there an actual consensus on this? Genuine Q.

Above 70% as a minimum is a figure I’ve seen a lot.

There seems to be huge lack of understanding of the simple fact that at some point you are going to get COVID. All the lockdowns and restrictions were never anything more than a delaying measure to buy time to develop treatment options and vaccines. The genie is out of the bottle, coronavirus is now endemic and will never be eradicated, it is here to stay in circulation like the common cold and influenza.

We cannot and will not keep these restrictions for ever, at some point the government has to say that it's time to just live with it and accept that there will be a spike in infections and that time is a week on Monday. Everybody vulnerable is now fully vaccinated, pretty much everybody over 30 will be double vaccinated by then, what else is there to wait for? If you want to carry on hiding behind the sofa and ordering Ocado deliveries that's your personal choice but there has to be an end to this being government policy and I cannot see a more appropriate time than now. If you refuse the vaccine then on your head be the consequences.

@Laiste

TableFlowerss totally agree with everything you're saying.

I really think that quite a lot of people have bought into the 'control the virus' spiel so hard that they believe that if we play our cards right Covid will actually go away. But it's not. Not even if every one of us in this country right now is vaccinated. There is never now going to be a 'Covid Free' world.

For the majority if you've had your jabs you probably won't even know you've caught it. That's as good as it's ever going to get.

What are 'the scientists' saying is the correct proportion of double vacs to come out then? Is there an actual consensus on this? Genuine Q.

So pleased to see that there are another couple of posters that can see the bigger picture

At times on here, it’s like people have been brainwashed. I agree with everything you say too.

The scary thing is, people seem to think there will be a day where the risk is minimal but as you point out, cases will always always rise regardless.

Funnily enough, no one can ever give a specific time when there would be a good time to lift all restrictions. It’s just always ‘not right now’

Whether you are vaccinated or not, the chances are, covid will not kill you.

If you are worried it might, get vaccinated.

I do wonder, given this, what on Earth people are scared of. But, if you’re scared...stay in.

@NewUser123456789

There seems to be huge lack of understanding of the simple fact that at some point you are going to get COVID. All the lockdowns and restrictions were never anything more than a delaying measure to buy time to develop treatment options and vaccines. The genie is out of the bottle, coronavirus is now endemic and will never be eradicated, it is here to stay in circulation like the common cold and influenza.

We cannot and will not keep these restrictions for ever, at some point the government has to say that it's time to just live with it and accept that there will be a spike in infections and that time is a week on Monday. Everybody vulnerable is now fully vaccinated, pretty much everybody over 30 will be double vaccinated by then, what else is there to wait for? If you want to carry on hiding behind the sofa and ordering Ocado deliveries that's your personal choice but there has to be an end to this being government policy and I cannot see a more appropriate time than now. If you refuse the vaccine then on your head be the consequences.

So pleased to see another rational poster on this thread this morning.

Everything this person says 👌👌👌

@Malteser71

Whether you are vaccinated or not, the chances are, covid will not kill you.

If you are worried it might, get vaccinated.

I do wonder, given this, what on Earth people are scared of. But, if you’re scared...stay in.

They want everyone else to stay in to…. Forever by the looks of it!

@RocioMartinez

Haven't read the whole thread but thanks for raising the possibility of them charging for LFTs - off to order some more now

This is surely a silly rumour unless this is a part of the semi public private NHS system going forward too?

Lateral flow anti gen home screening is as we all agree only suitable as a quick and easy hopefully more accurate than not screen for any virus and not like a PCR Covid diagnostic test with a professional lab analysis. I believe these UK lateral flow tests are not suitable or approved in many advance nations let alone for cross boarder travel and entry overseas. In any case how many people actually officially track and trace their lateral flow results as officially required?

There's a glaring problem with just getting on with it though. It is still (and not changing on 16th July) illegal not to isolate following a positive pcr test. So whereas with usual coughs and cold we'd take a lemsip and battle on, we can't do this currently. Where are businesses, hospitals etc going to find cover for all these absences? So yes in the majority of infections the symptoms will be mild but the disruption is going to be huge.

TableFlowerss
There are ever growing numbers of double vaxxed people coming down with covid, I presume the delta variant. I agree this is never going away. But I don’t agree with a sweeping statement that fillip vaccinated people won’t know that they’ve been infected. Pfizer is supposed to be more effective. The people I know, who had Pfizer and the second jab months ago were both ill with it recently.

Someone I know is isolating at the minute due to being in contact with someone who has Covid. The guy told him that he hasn't informed T&T of any names so he doesn't have to isolate if he doesn't want to as no one will know or check.

I think he's been in contact with more people than him and I think this is happening more and more.

If they get rid of LFT how will anyone monitor cases in school age children and know to isolate a child if positive but asymptomatic?

The plans are already going to put more children at risk (7% + are going on to get Long Covid even with mild infection) and more so of LFT are charged for or got rid of.

Anyone got further info - or is it just a rumour?

No shit sherlock!

They are just realising this now??!!!

@PurpleDaisies

Sorry, but by the 19th July, clearly the government/advisors feel like enough of the population will have been vaccinated, in order for them to lift restrictions.

I assume they’ll have more accurate figures as to exactly how many people have been vaccinated, than you.

Vaccination figures are published daily. That data is in the public domain. Boris won’t shut up about how many people have been jabbed.

There are a LOT of scientists who have said we need a much larger proportion of the population double vaccinated. The delta variant changed the playing field. If we’d been dealing with the previous incarnation of covid, one would have been enough. There’s a huge drop in efficacy for the first jab with delta. You need two now for proper protection.

Lucky then, that by 19 July, two thirds of adults in the UK will be double jabbed, with all older/vulnerable people (the groups most at risk) already having the option of being double jabbed weeks ago (just in time for the original removal of restrictions mid June!).

I think we're very close to the stage of not needing to test/isolate people without symptoms. What's the point? For the vast majority of people who've not yet been double jabbed (i.e. younger/healthier), they're not at risk from Covid anyway - mostly it's asymptomatic or mild symptoms for those groups.

We need to get to the stage of concentrating on people WITH symptoms, not going out of our way to test and isolate people without. We never did it for norovirus or normal flu, yet they too had the potential to kill the elderly, vulnerable (young and old) etc.

I always find the idea of not testing a bit like not doing a pregnancy test. Just because you haven't tested, doesn't mean that the baby isn't there and won't be born at the end of the process.

I'm obviously massively generalising, but just because the numbers look good doesn't mean that the problem isn't there. It's not going to go away just because we don't test.

@LaurieFairyCake

Well no shit, Sherlock

It's like being led by the Scooby gang without the denouement where things go right at the end

Yes, that just about sums it up. Make the app 'less sensitive' (like they have any idea..) Carelessly 'Open Up' for Sport / Festivals / the summer feelz. Then when it all goes pear shaped blame the public. Charge them for lateral flow tests which are inaccurate. Let them / their kids pay for this shitshow for at least a decade. Skip off to write memoirs / the private lecture circuit.

I should have bought more bog roll... :D just sleep walking into another giant fuck up