Page 6 | Govt realises that loads of people getting covid might actually be an issue

noblegiraffe · 2021-07-08T21:57:59+00:00

Sam Coates of Sky News is tweeting that Whitehall is getting concerned about the sheer number of people who will be having to isolate in the coming days, some from getting covid, and some from having to isolate. "One source said gvt modelling done under Hancock suggested this scale cd potentially compromise transport and healthcare" "One government source called this another lockdown by the back door" [[https://twitter.com/samcoatessky/status/1413224477450817536?s=21]] Apparently the plan is to make the app less sensitive so that fewer people have to isolate. Stopping isolations increases infections so not necessarily a great solution. I'm sure all the planning is well in hand though.

Malteser71 · 09/07/2021 08:16

DH ITU consultant - I just asked him about numbers.

He said it’s ‘hovering.’

They have 6 patients with covid. Three weeks ago they had none. They thought it was going to explode, but it didn’t.

They are seeing a ‘one in, one out’ scenario.

They won’t open a second ITU (escalation) until 20

TableFlowerss · 09/07/2021 08:17

@Sparklingbrook

Yes *@TableFlowerss* I think some people may have the App with the hope of getting pinged maybe? Especially the people that can afford it.

Absolutely they will, then of course places have to close down and then there’s mass hysteria, such as on this thread and out how the rises in covid are catastrophic and how the hospitals can’t cope with the amount of covid patients… when actually the number of covid patients is no where near it was last time, it’s just the staff have to isolate so they’re short staffed short term.

Once that rule is scrapped then it should get a lot better. You wouldn’t think it by reading this thread though.

People foaming at the mouth for another big lockdown. They need to wake up, it’s not going to happen. This is it now.

Sparklingbrook · 09/07/2021 08:17

@Staffy1

I genuinely think some people do! Said this all along. Lockdown suits some people

It’s more a case of some people don’t want to get covid for very good reason. No one likes lockdown or is happy about it, why people come to this conclusion just because people want to avoid a serious illness is beyond me.

I can see that having an enforced break from work if you’re ok financially and can get food deliveries might be attractive to some though. Especially in the summer. Helping not to spread Covid (if the app is accurate) and get your garden sorted at the same time.

Baystard · 09/07/2021 08:17

We need to learn to live with it

Yes, we do. But so many people say 'learn to live with it' when they actually mean 'pretend it isn't there'.

Learning to live with it, to me, means using technology, testing, tracing (masks in certain circumstances) to give us as much of our old life back ad possible.

PurpleDaisies · 09/07/2021 08:19

People foaming at the mouth for another big lockdown. They need to wake up, it’s not going to happen. This is it now.

Are they? I haven’t seen that. I’ve seen a lot of people calling for the big bang further relaxation of the guidelines to be postponed. We’re not in a lockdown now.

TableFlowerss · 09/07/2021 08:20

@Notonthestairs

"So what’s the alternative? Keep people locked up under house arrest forever, have the army drop off food parcels at every door?"

How dramatic.
Masks on public transport and better ventilation in schools and colleges would be a good start. Might reduce flu levels this winter too.

Dramatic indeed but that’s what some people want though. People still wear masks at the minute, yet the infection rate is going which tells me, masks aren’t really that good as protection!

TableFlowerss · 09/07/2021 08:22

@Staffy1

I genuinely think some people do! Said this all along. Lockdown suits some people

It’s more a case of some people don’t want to get covid for very good reason. No one likes lockdown or is happy about it, why people come to this conclusion just because people want to avoid a serious illness is beyond me.

Some people do like it!! They like working from home or better still not having to work at all.

How many times, 99% don’t get seriously ill……. Now with the vaccine, less people will get seriously ill!!!

MrsIsobelCrawley · 09/07/2021 08:22

A combination of rising infections leading to patients needing hospital treatment and increased numbers of staff isolating has meant hospitals in many areas are under severe pressure at the moment. Even cancer patients have had their surgeries cancelled

Piggywaspushed · 09/07/2021 08:22

We need to learn how to live with it. That's a key missing word.

Baystard · 09/07/2021 08:24

tableflowers although some people say that masks are a waste of time, the various social distancing rules are a waste if time, etc we are now about to find out just how effective they were being.

TableFlowerss · 09/07/2021 08:24

@Malteser71

DH ITU consultant - I just asked him about numbers.

He said it’s ‘hovering.’

They have 6 patients with covid. Three weeks ago they had none. They thought it was going to explode, but it didn’t.

They are seeing a ‘one in, one out’ scenario.

They won’t open a second ITU (escalation) until 20

Very useful to know. Hopefully people will see this and feel more reassured instead of the hysterical, ‘it’s going to take us all out, quick lockdown forever’ sigh

PurpleDaisies · 09/07/2021 08:24

Some people do like it!! They like working from home or better still not having to work at all.

That’s not lockdown. That’s an individual isolating as a close contact.

ResIpsaLoquiturInterAlia · 09/07/2021 08:24

Let’s be frank in this once in a lifetime but potentially long term pandemic we have discovered

The government is corrupt using the opportunity of the pandemic to personally and mates self indulgent enrichment at other people’s expense. To add insult to injury the government is also incompetent and by their own omission f…ing hopeless as also allegedly said I rather see bodies piled high than call another lockdown gross negligent indifference blasé

Some public are world beating Covidiots being anti vaxx and anti globally adopted best practice Covid risk mitigation measures eg civic duty of care masks for mutual some protection

Some public like the government are not trustworthy and indeed believe they can cheat a super contagious disease by pretending it is just a bit of flu or indeed maximise the opportunity to falsely claim to be ill or fake isolation requirements when convenient

The importation of fresh potentially vaccination escape or challenging variants along with further internal mixing will critically challenge efficacy and jabbed protection duration of current vaccination

Schools and children are experimenting herd immunity with no risk mitigation management in over crowded non ventilation schools. Hence bubbles being unsustainable.

Now that the English government is moving away from containment to damage limitation with the removal of mandatory basic risk mitigation measures and obligations - it is now your fault if the NHS is overwhelmed in this high risk (no better public health option) of letting it rip being the new get a grip.

FortniteBoysMum · 09/07/2021 08:24

Personally the app is terrible 4 times my family have had to isolate. No one has had any symptoms. That's without the kids bubbles at school bursting and having them isolate. We need some normality back. More people are probably dying from suicide because of the isolation than covid now. At what point do we go back to normal life if not now? There will always be some reason not too. Its been over 18 months. More people are becoming non compliant because they have had enough. Personally people should be taking lateral flow tests every other day. If that's positive then yes isolate. If not go about your daily life how you see fit. Some will wear mask others will not. Covid is not going away anytime soon we need to learn to live with it.

jasjas1973 · 09/07/2021 08:25

People foaming at the mouth for another big lockdown. They need to wake up, it’s not going to happen. This is it now

You'd think so given the Govt's plans.

But as we saw with other Johnson statements, it doesn't always go to plan.

This is a huge gamble (one i hope pays off) but its a gamble none the less.

On people wanting to have to isolate - what a load of rot! its a PIA, mucks up everything plus many companies don't pay or expect you to wfh - might as well take 10 days unpaid leave if the garden is that bad!

TableFlowerss · 09/07/2021 08:26

@PurpleDaisies

People foaming at the mouth for another big lockdown. They need to wake up, it’s not going to happen. This is it now.

Are they? I haven’t seen that. I’ve seen a lot of people calling for the big bang further relaxation of the guidelines to be postponed. We’re not in a lockdown now.

Yes yes they are. Some people are hysterical over it thinking that we’re all going to die

Pinuporc · 09/07/2021 08:27

Not enough PCR tests and capacity if cases rise too much:

...but then you might (as happened before) have people isolating for days waiting for a test,(and potentially not able to work) then another few days waiting for a result ....which might be negative...

PurpleDaisies · 09/07/2021 08:29

Yes yes they are. Some people are hysterical over it thinking that we’re all going to die

Well, because you’ve said it that means it must be true.

I have seen nobody on any news programme, in real life or on my social media feed calling for a new national lockdown. I have seen a LOT of people calling for us to further relax restrictions much more slowly.

TableFlowerss · 09/07/2021 08:29

@PurpleDaisies

Some people do like it!! They like working from home or better still not having to work at all.

That’s not lockdown. That’s an individual isolating as a close contact.

And in lockdown they have to stay home to do they not?!?!

Regarding the isolation and the app, some people will be happy to get pinged and have to stay iff is the point. It’s suits them, yet it’s the 10 day isolation that’s causing carneage not an actual increase in covid admissions.

Turquoisesol · 09/07/2021 08:30

I have, like many others, been wondering what on earth the government are playing at especially with this latest plan to just let Covid rip. But perhaps, like a PP said it’s just to show that they tried and the wanted to open up like everyone is asking for. Then they will U turn and say it just wasn’t possible.

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noblegiraffe · 09/07/2021 08:32

I'd quite like the country not to end up in chaos due to loads of people being stuck at home with covid.

only one way out of it and thats for people to delete the app , its useless anyway

Deleting the app won’t stop people getting covid and actually if everyone deletes the app, more people will get covid.

The problem with cases rising causing disruption is that they aren’t uniformly distributed across the country. My school currently has covid ripping through it. There’s no masks or social distancing and we are only sending home a handful of kids per case. We are seeing multiple cases per day, it spreads fast.

So covid could easily take out a workforce even without the app pinging.

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TableFlowerss · 09/07/2021 08:32

@jasjas1973

People foaming at the mouth for another big lockdown. They need to wake up, it’s not going to happen. This is it now

You'd think so given the Govt's plans.

But as we saw with other Johnson statements, it doesn't always go to plan.

This is a huge gamble (one i hope pays off) but its a gamble none the less.

On people wanting to have to isolate - what a load of rot! its a PIA, mucks up everything plus many companies don't pay or expect you to wfh - might as well take 10 days unpaid leave if the garden is that bad!

Of course it suits some people!

PurpleDaisies · 09/07/2021 08:35

And in lockdown they have to stay home to do they not?!?!

You cannot say that an individual being told to isolate by test and trace, or pinged by the app (which is advisory) is the same as a new lockdown.

Regarding the isolation and the app, some people will be happy to get pinged and have to stay iff is the point. It’s suits them, yet it’s the 10 day isolation that’s causing carneage not an actual increase in covid admissions.

I don’t know what point you’re trying to make. Do you think swathes of people are following others closely around supermarkets to try and get time off work?

It wouldn’t be a disaster for me to have to isolate. That doesn’t mean I’m going to try and do it!

womanity · 09/07/2021 08:35

‘Learning to live with it’ is very different to ‘pretending it never happened’.

‘Learning to live with it’ would probably involve some measures like masks, ventilation and 1m rule.

TableFlowerss · 09/07/2021 08:37

@PurpleDaisies

Yes yes they are. Some people are hysterical over it thinking that we’re all going to die

Well, because you’ve said it that means it must be true.

I have seen nobody on any news programme, in real life or on my social media feed calling for a new national lockdown. I have seen a LOT of people calling for us to further relax restrictions much more slowly.

But the restrictions are still in place right now yet there’s still an increase in cases.

People have had enough. You just need to look at the football fans to see, social distancing is not happening anymore

I get what you’re saying about continuing to wear masks etc… however he point is, there will never be a ‘best time’ to lift restrictions. Never so now is a good a time as any. Because this virus is here for the long haul.

How many people don’t wear masks? Loads and more so by the day so even if we all continue to wear masks etc it’ll still spread because people don’t follow the rules so numbers will continue to increase now regardless.